GIJive Posted June 17, 2013 Share #151 Posted June 17, 2013 Marc, The pattern on all WWII US camouflage was the same repeating pattern you mentioned in your earlier post. Aside from some minor differences in the shapes of the spots due to the dying and printing process used back then, the shapes are always in the same general position and relationship to one another. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pump 150 Posted June 18, 2013 Author Share #152 Posted June 18, 2013 As posted above, was wondering if anyone has a frogskin USMC cover with slits in the crown but none in the flaps (WWII not 53 model). If so please post them up also. Would like to see some good photos of the center as well as edge stitching if possible. Seems to be some issues with these as well and wanted to get some good overall opinions on those if WWII produced. Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king802 Posted June 19, 2013 Share #153 Posted June 19, 2013 I've got one with slits in the crown and none in the flaps and to be honest it's identical to my non slit one that came from a 2nd div Guy. Rich Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pump 150 Posted June 19, 2013 Author Share #154 Posted June 19, 2013 Hello Rich, if possible could you post some good photos of that type also. Thanks, Bill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
airborne53 Posted June 19, 2013 Share #155 Posted June 19, 2013 hello also this post about camo change http://www.usmilitariaforum.com/forums/index.php?/topic/175723-usmc-fixed-bail-on-you-pay-have-you-spotted-it/page-2 olivier Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrei Posted June 23, 2013 Share #156 Posted June 23, 2013 As posted above, was wondering if anyone has a frogskin USMC cover with slits in the crown but none in the flaps (WWII not 53 model). If so please post them up also. Would like to see some good photos of the center as well as edge stitching if possible. Seems to be some issues with these as well and wanted to get some good overall opinions on those if WWII produced. Thanks Some shots of my cover with slits without buttonholes in the flaps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrei Posted June 23, 2013 Share #157 Posted June 23, 2013 Taken witout flash Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Andrei Posted June 23, 2013 Share #161 Posted June 23, 2013 Hope it helps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pump 150 Posted June 27, 2013 Author Share #162 Posted June 27, 2013 Andrei, That is a very nice example, thanks for the close up photos, much appreciated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pump 150 Posted July 6, 2013 Author Share #163 Posted July 6, 2013 The search continues for clear early use of the no slit covers. Could very well never know for sure until some documentation shows up at some point. Photos will never replace documents, but is a good hunt. Does anyone have documentation supporting a change to a "new improved" camo pattern? I have two spec slitted covers and will say that they both are of a lighter shade than my no slit covers, matching those posted above. Is there any paperwork to be found supporting a direct change of printing the pattern or could the shades possibly just have darkened over time of production? Thought I had a couple more, but just to show how very hard to tell for sure, here are two more high quality photos. A dog handler on Peleliu with what sure looks like a no slit cover. Until the full size version is found. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pump 150 Posted July 6, 2013 Author Share #164 Posted July 6, 2013 Saipan June 1944 - very downsized. Was just getting ready to post this one as a no slit, but he has the center of the cover worn way back on the helmet and the slits almost run vertical Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottwbncfc Posted July 13, 2013 Share #165 Posted July 13, 2013 Well, I would think that it is not as obscure a question as say the debate over SB helmets used on D-Day or the ongoing debate over hand-painted 29th division helmet insignias vs. decals during the war. If they were a first production, there should be both photos and videos that can be located. I have a helmet that is ID'ed to an Iwo JIma vet and the camo cover is the so-called first pattern. I, for one, will be searching for evidence! Cheers, Mike I tend to agree! Also would love to have a look at the Iwo Jima lid ! Many thanks -s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pump 150 Posted July 15, 2013 Author Share #166 Posted July 15, 2013 Scott, I would also agree. But every high quality photo of these in early use so far has the slits. The earliest I have found of the no slit covers to date is Peleliu. Still looking for some earlier. Would also enjoy seeing Theorywolfs helmet. From the Marine Corps History Division. On the way into Tarawa Nov. 1943 - all have slits Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pump 150 Posted July 15, 2013 Author Share #167 Posted July 15, 2013 Here is another one just as a reference. Well known photo of USMC Combat Correspondent Ssgt Fredrico Claveria giving candy to a child on Tinian July-August 1944. From the USMC History Division - at full size you can make out the closed edge stitching of the "greenside" as well as the foliage slit in the exposed flap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theorywolf Posted July 22, 2013 Share #168 Posted July 22, 2013 Here it is! Named to a well-known Marine at Iwo Jima in the liner webbing. Family support the claim that the helmet was with their father at Iwo Jima. Cheers, Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1940Desoto Posted July 22, 2013 Share #169 Posted July 22, 2013 That is a cracker Mike, thanks for posting it. Is it swivel or fixed bail ? Cheers Sean Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pump 150 Posted July 23, 2013 Author Share #170 Posted July 23, 2013 Excellent example Mike, thanks for sharing it. Bill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theorywolf Posted July 29, 2013 Share #171 Posted July 29, 2013 It is fix bail with the vet's name inside the webbing of the liner. Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pump 150 Posted August 8, 2013 Author Share #172 Posted August 8, 2013 Found a good quality photo of the one posted by Driver back on page 3 post#43. Very good picture of a no slit cover on Iwo Jima. Also just noticed that the above photo of the dog handler on Peleliu is shown on page 77 of Mark Reynosa's M-1 book and described as a no slit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jkash23686 Posted September 16, 2013 Share #173 Posted September 16, 2013 The search continues for clear early use of the no slit covers. Could very well never know for sure until some documentation shows up at some point. Photos will never replace documents, but is a good hunt. Does anyone have documentation supporting a change to a "new improved" camo pattern? I have two spec slitted covers and will say that they both are of a lighter shade than my no slit covers, matching those posted above. Is there any paperwork to be found supporting a direct change of printing the pattern or could the shades possibly just have darkened over time of production? Thought I had a couple more, but just to show how very hard to tell for sure, here are two more high quality photos. A dog handler on Peleliu with what sure looks like a no slit cover. Until the full size version is found. This actually looks like it has slits to me: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pump 150 Posted November 4, 2013 Author Share #174 Posted November 4, 2013 With the vet helmets shown from Saipan, this is the best photo I have found from the Marianas Campaign of a "First Model". Found quite a few nice photos over the last couple months from earlier campaigns, but the summer of '44 is still the soonest I've seen the First Model in use to date. Dated July 21, 1944....D-Day Guam While the two marines standing have spec slit made covers, the marine peeking at the photographer has a "First Model" from what I can tell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pump 150 Posted November 4, 2013 Author Share #175 Posted November 4, 2013 With full sun and that fold in the front I would think the front slit would "pop" if there, so I'm thinking it's a First Model unless anyone can tell different Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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