thetrenchman1918 Posted June 1, 2013 Share #1 Posted June 1, 2013 I found this helmet this morning. It does not have a rim, it is just folded over and the bails are than just attached to the folded over metal The bails on this helmet are fixed but appear to stick out more than a regular fixed bail, any input is appreciated thank you I assume this is an early war helmet but I do not know. PS I am on vacation and can only take crappy photos so I apologize Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WWII_GI Posted June 1, 2013 Share #2 Posted June 1, 2013 Any heat stamp? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thetrenchman1918 Posted June 1, 2013 Author Share #3 Posted June 1, 2013 None that I can see, sorry I forgot to mention this earlier Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sgtdorango Posted June 1, 2013 Share #4 Posted June 1, 2013 How about an overall shot of the outside of the helmet? Is there corking material? What does the chinstrap hardware look like?......mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thetrenchman1918 Posted June 1, 2013 Author Share #5 Posted June 1, 2013 I can't take another photo right now, but the helmet has one ww2 sewn on chinstrap, the other is missing. finish is repainted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
29thinfgeek Posted June 1, 2013 Share #6 Posted June 1, 2013 French M51? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WWII_GI Posted June 1, 2013 Share #7 Posted June 1, 2013 French M51? Doesn't look like one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawkdriver Posted June 1, 2013 Share #8 Posted June 1, 2013 Interesting that the bails are tack welded directly to the edging. Doesn't seem very secure place to tack weld. Somebody's poor attempt at a rebuild and not knowing how and where to do it right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneralCheese Posted June 1, 2013 Share #9 Posted June 1, 2013 I saw one of these on eBay before, so there is more than one in existence. Does it have the same type of chinstrap as an M1917A1 has? If it does, it's likely this is a prototype M1 that was made before the war. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOLO Posted June 1, 2013 Share #10 Posted June 1, 2013 I heard Spain made some M1 type helmets with a rolled edge, maybe this could be one of those? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thetrenchman1918 Posted June 2, 2013 Author Share #11 Posted June 2, 2013 Two questions, could some one post a photo of m1917a1 chin straps so I could compare them also could some one provide info on Spanish versions, however I do not think a copy would incorporate a more fragile bail than the origanal PS shape is defiantly m1 not a French m51 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thetrenchman1918 Posted June 2, 2013 Author Share #12 Posted June 2, 2013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thetrenchman1918 Posted June 2, 2013 Author Share #13 Posted June 2, 2013 See how fragile bails are? If this was a prototype is it possible it was just used as another M1 (reason for repaint) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thetrenchman1918 Posted June 2, 2013 Author Share #14 Posted June 2, 2013 One more specific, if you need more let me know, sorry for multiple posts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugme Posted June 2, 2013 Share #15 Posted June 2, 2013 There was a country that cloned the M-1 with the rolled rim. As BOLO stated, it may have been Spain. HOWEVER, The U.S. did try a rolled edge in some production prototypes so.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thetrenchman1918 Posted June 2, 2013 Author Share #16 Posted June 2, 2013 From what I can find Spain dissent use an m1 clone till the eighths, and it looks different (rolled edge is different as is chin strap) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabrejet Posted June 2, 2013 Share #17 Posted June 2, 2013 If you want to acquaint yourself with the various M1 clones which were made, look here. The list of countries is alphabetical so scroll down to pick out the likes of Belgium, Netherlands, Denmark, Norway, Austria, W. Germany, Israel and Argentina etc. http://brendonshelmets.weebly.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabrejet Posted June 2, 2013 Share #18 Posted June 2, 2013 Raw edge Spanish shell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thetrenchman1918 Posted June 2, 2013 Author Share #19 Posted June 2, 2013 Thank you for the link, but I believe we can rule out the Spanish copy due to chin strap To me the chin strap looks identical to US helmets, when I get home tonight I will try to get a clearer picture, I do not think a copy helmet would use the exact same brass hardware and stitching, can anyone provide info on prototype m1's? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thetrenchman1918 Posted June 2, 2013 Author Share #20 Posted June 2, 2013 I am wondering how the attachment of he bails compares to regular fixed bails? Could any one provide a link or photo to a prototype M1, I do not want to get to excited until I have some comparison Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabrejet Posted June 2, 2013 Share #21 Posted June 2, 2013 Is there a visible heat lot # stamped inside the shell, near the front? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thetrenchman1918 Posted June 2, 2013 Author Share #22 Posted June 2, 2013 There is not one I can see but is possible that there is a lot of paint covering it However if if does not have one, wouldn't that support the prototype theory? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabrejet Posted June 2, 2013 Share #23 Posted June 2, 2013 There is not one I can see but is possible that there is a lot of paint covering it However if if does not have one, wouldn't that support the prototype theory? Not necessarily. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thetrenchman1918 Posted June 2, 2013 Author Share #24 Posted June 2, 2013 Are prototypes often marked as such? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabrejet Posted June 2, 2013 Share #25 Posted June 2, 2013 I can't say for sure, never having handled any prototypes! However, the lot # was for the steel plate production batch, not the individual helmet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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