seanmc1114 Posted March 13, 2015 Author Share #101 Posted March 13, 2015 Soldier of the 1st Engineer Battalion sporting the 1st Infantry Division SSI on his khakis. It looks like the patch may be sewn on the uniform rather than encased in plastic and hanging from the pocket. Also note that he is wearing jump wings and the Airborne patch on his overseas cap even though he is not assigned to an airborne unit. Based on his Purple Heart and Combat Infantryman Badge, he may have initially been assigned to an infantry battalion and then laterally transferred to the 1st Engineer Battalion after recuperating from his wounds. However, he apparently took basic training at Fort Leonard Wood which leads me to believe he would have been trained as an engineer from the beginning. Is this perhaps one of those instances where the CIB was awarded to a non-infantryman? http://vva1028mo.com/TWWWMoore.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patches Posted March 13, 2015 Share #102 Posted March 13, 2015 Soldier of the 1st Engineer Battalion sporting the 1st Infantry Division SSI on his khakis. It looks like the patch may be sewn on the uniform rather than encased in plastic and hanging from the pocket. Also note that he is wearing jump wings and the Airborne patch on his overseas cap even though he is not assigned to an airborne unit. Based on his Purple Heart and Combat Infantryman Badge, he may have initially been assigned to an infantry battalion and then laterally transferred to the 1st Engineer Battalion after recuperating from his wounds. However, he apparently took basic training at Fort Leonard Wood which leads me to believe he would have been trained as an engineer from the beginning. Is this perhaps one of those instances where the CIB was awarded to a non-infantryman? http://vva1028mo.com/TWWWMoore.html 1st Infantry Division.Pocket Patch.jpg There's a illusion to him doing Tunnel Rat duty, maybe that's the reason???? tried the Database, but without a middle initial it's tough going. On the not wearing a DI on cap, but rather the Para Glider patch of Airborne Troops, you might see a senior officer serving in a non jump unit, but not to my knowledge a junior enlistedman, but as he's in country and wearing it, he probably got away with it, probably when this photo was taken he was either DEROS-ing or going on R&R. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patches Posted March 23, 2015 Share #103 Posted March 23, 2015 An unknown pocket hanger of the Big Red One, don't think this was posted yet, don't know what it is, do you? Photo taken as we see during Richard Nixon's visit to the Division in 1969. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teamski Posted March 23, 2015 Share #104 Posted March 23, 2015 An unknown pocket hanger of the Big Red One, don't think this was posted yet, don't know what it is, do you? Photo taken as we see during Richard Nixon's visit to the Division in 1969. post-125364-0-63780100-1426723737.jpg 16th Infantry regiment. -Ski Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAZGY Posted March 23, 2015 Share #105 Posted March 23, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teamski Posted March 23, 2015 Share #106 Posted March 23, 2015 Oops. I knew that one at one point. Heck if I can remember it now.....grrrr..... -Ski Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mitch Posted March 23, 2015 Share #107 Posted March 23, 2015 I thought this was an unidentified Scout dog, tracker, MP or Security police or ?. I have had the patch before. A better look at the patch is here ,1st one on the left , 2nd row. http://www.usmilitariaforum.com/forums/index.php?/topic/168269-who-let-the-dawgs-out/ It may have been identified but I have not seen it yet. Mitch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patches Posted March 23, 2015 Share #108 Posted March 23, 2015 Yes I think that's it Mitch, since it's a depiction of a Blood Hound, and though I can't find images to confirm this, my first guess would be one for the 61st Infantry Platoon (Combat Tracker). Also note the rank of the officer, he's a Captain, these platoons were of course commanded by 2nd or 1st Lieutenants, so I guessing he was a former Platoon Leader, made Captain, and wears this pocket hanger, also the lack of a scroll is a clue that he's moved on to other duties, if he was a member of this unit still he would have a scroll above the Big Red One patch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mitch Posted March 27, 2015 Share #109 Posted March 27, 2015 Yes I think that's it Mitch, since it's a depiction of a Blood Hound, and though I can't find images to confirm this, my first guess would be one for the 61st Infantry Platoon (Combat Tracker). Also note the rank of the officer, he's a Captain, these platoons were of course commanded by 2nd or 1st Lieutenants, so I guessing he was a former Platoon Leader, made Captain, and wears this pocket hanger, also the lack of a scroll is a clue that he's moved on to other duties, if he was a member of this unit still he would have a scroll above the Big Red One patch. 78655108d96ab8ff1427148182.jpg Patches, I found the ID in a Oct ,1988 ASMIC Trading Post. It is for the 615th MP Co. It shows 2 variations, very close to each other, of the patch. Regards,Mitch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patches Posted March 28, 2015 Share #110 Posted March 28, 2015 Patches, I found the ID in a Oct ,1988 ASMIC Trading Post. It is for the 615th MP Co. It shows 2 variations, very close to each other, of the patch. Regards,Mitch Intriguing, I checked it out Mitch, I got stacks of back issues of the Trading Post, fortunately I found that issue rather quickly and didn't have to spend a hour looking through the pile . Now the mystery, why would an Infantry Officer whose a 101 vet and currently serving in the Big Red One (note the Screaming Eagles combat patch) be wearing it?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patches Posted March 28, 2015 Share #111 Posted March 28, 2015 Soldier of the 1st Engineer Battalion sporting the 1st Infantry Division SSI on his khakis. It looks like the patch may be sewn on the uniform rather than encased in plastic and hanging from the pocket. Also note that he is wearing jump wings and the Airborne patch on his overseas cap even though he is not assigned to an airborne unit. Based on his Purple Heart and Combat Infantryman Badge, he may have initially been assigned to an infantry battalion and then laterally transferred to the 1st Engineer Battalion after recuperating from his wounds. However, he apparently took basic training at Fort Leonard Wood which leads me to believe he would have been trained as an engineer from the beginning. Is this perhaps one of those instances where the CIB was awarded to a non-infantryman? http://vva1028mo.com/TWWWMoore.html 1st Infantry Division.Pocket Patch.jpg Hey maybe that Big Red One patch on the pocket is one of those late 50s AG 44 background ones, hard to tell I know, but it would be interesting if it turn out to be one of these. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seanmc1114 Posted November 23, 2015 Author Share #112 Posted November 23, 2015 Soldier of the 2nd Battalion 28th Infantry wearing a 1st Infantry Division pocket hanger on one pocket and a 28th Infantry Regiment hanger on the other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seanmc1114 Posted December 2, 2015 Author Share #113 Posted December 2, 2015 So0ldier of the 1st Aviation Battalion in front of the battalion aid station Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patches Posted January 1, 2016 Share #114 Posted January 1, 2016 Scanned this other foto of Nixon at the Big Red One's Base Camp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patches Posted May 1, 2016 Share #115 Posted May 1, 2016 One more Lions of Cantigny PP, here sometime in 1966, two officers, both 2nd awardees of the CIB, one of which is wearing the 28th Inf PP, the other may be in one of the battalions of the 28th Inf too, but just didn't wear the PP. The one in civilian clothes is of course Vice President Hubert Humphrey, who is pinning an unknown award (Can't see medal) on them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasonK Posted May 3, 2016 Share #116 Posted May 3, 2016 Here a 1st BG 5th Inf pocket patch Big Red One shirt in the flesh, one posted quite awhile ago by another member, forgot who. uniforms109.jpg Picked this up last week while in Virginia for work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patches Posted May 3, 2016 Share #117 Posted May 3, 2016 Fantastic addition Mason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seanmc1114 Posted July 5, 2016 Author Share #118 Posted July 5, 2016 The 2nd Battalion changes command at Camp Bearcat in February 1966. L to R: Unknown (probably 2nd Brigade commander based on rank and pocket patch although the colors look reversed for a normal 2nd Infantry Brigade SSI) , LTC Bill Hathaway, MG Jonathan Seamans, LTC Y.Y. Phillips, and CSM Chandler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
468abnarm Posted July 5, 2016 Share #119 Posted July 5, 2016 There's a illusion to him doing Tunnel Rat duty, maybe that's the reason???? tried the Database, but without a middle initial it's tough going. On the not wearing a DI on cap, but rather the Para Glider patch of Airborne Troops, you might see a senior officer serving in a non jump unit, but not to my knowledge a junior enlistedman, but as he's in country and wearing it, he probably got away with it, probably when this photo was taken he was either DEROS-ing or going on R&R. Once earned a Troop would wear his wings and "Airborne" overseas hat regardless of what unit he was assigned to. As for a DUI on the hat, I never once saw one being worn on the overseas hat while I was in, 1970 -74 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atb Posted July 6, 2016 Share #120 Posted July 6, 2016 Once earned a Troop would wear his wings and "Airborne" overseas hat regardless of what unit he was assigned to. As for a DUI on the hat, I never once saw one being worn on the overseas hat while I was in, 1970 -74 True for the wings, but not the overseas cap "glider" patch. Though it was probably done by some troops, it was not IAW Army regulations. Extracts from Army Regulation 670-5, May 1969: Chapter 14, Insignia and Accouterments Para 14-3. Headgear, ornamentation and insignia. a. Cap, garrison [the overseas cap]. (2) The following insignia are worn on the garrison cap: (a) Officers and warrant officers. 1. Insignia of grade centered on the left curtain. 2. Optional for those assigned to airborne organizations; the approved "Airborne" cap insignia centered on the right curtain (para14-19c). (b Enlisted men. 1. Approved unit (distinctive) insignia centered on the left curtain. 2. Optional for those assigned to airborne organizations; the approved "Airborne" cap insignia in lieu of the unit insignia (para 14-19c). Para 14-19c. Airborne insignia. Airborne insignia may be worn when prescribed by airborne organization commanders. The insignia consists of a white parachute and glider on a blue disk, with a red border, approximately 2 1/4 inches in diameter, overall. I wore the DUI for my assigned unit on my overseas cap throughout my Army career, 1970-1991. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
468abnarm Posted July 6, 2016 Share #121 Posted July 6, 2016 Interesting stuff all those regulations. I guess it all depended on location as to if they were followed or not. But thanks again for the information. True for the wings, but not the overseas cap "glider" patch. Though it was probably done by some troops, it was not IAW Army regulations. Extracts from Army Regulation 670-5, May 1969: Chapter 14, Insignia and Accouterments Para 14-3. Headgear, ornamentation and insignia. a. Cap, garrison [the overseas cap]. (2) The following insignia are worn on the garrison cap: (a) Officers and warrant officers. 1. Insignia of grade centered on the left curtain. 2. Optional for those assigned to airborne organizations; the approved "Airborne" cap insignia centered on the right curtain (para14-19c). (b Enlisted men. 1. Approved unit (distinctive) insignia centered on the left curtain. 2. Optional for those assigned to airborne organizations; the approved "Airborne" cap insignia in lieu of the unit insignia (para 14-19c). Para 14-19c. Airborne insignia. Airborne insignia may be worn when prescribed by airborne organization commanders. The insignia consists of a white parachute and glider on a blue disk, with a red border, approximately 2 1/4 inches in diameter, overall. I wore the DUI for my assigned unit on my overseas cap throughout my Army career, 1970-1991. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovmilinsig Posted July 6, 2016 Share #122 Posted July 6, 2016 Very interesting thread. Ed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atb Posted July 6, 2016 Share #123 Posted July 6, 2016 Interesting stuff all those regulations. I guess it all depended on location as to if they were followed or not. But thanks again for the information. The wings are the personal award. The cap patch is a unit worn item like the airborne tab is part of the SSI and not an awarded item for airborne qualification. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patches Posted July 6, 2016 Share #124 Posted July 6, 2016 When I was back home, a Recruiter Aid after Basic/AIT April 1980, I was on the job for around two weeks, the station received a new Recruiting Sergeant, an E-6 173rd Abn Bde 11B Viet Vet, 1966-67 (have his last name in the back of my mind right now, can't recall it), he wore the cap with the Paraglider patch, he was previously with the 82nd, it's possible he wore this even at the Recruiting Sergeants school (or was it a course). In any event, the station commander, a E-7 25th Div 11B Viet Vet, never took issue with it, and make him either remove it, or get a new one at clothing sales to wear the Recruiting Command's DI, here I gather it was good promotional stuff, you know Go AIRBORNE and stuff like that . Yeah I remember driving with him in those government sedans one day and this guy driving another car, apparently sees us getting into our car, spots his combat patch ( We always wore Class A and or Khaki for Recruiting Duty back then, we were in Class As that day) and follows us, at a red light, he pulls up and says "You where in the HERD I see, so was I, 1967-68 he said, a small back in forth between the two, the E-6 a White guy the other Civilian Vet a Black, The HERD Two Shades of Togetherness was the first thing I thought of . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
468abnarm Posted July 8, 2016 Share #125 Posted July 8, 2016 When I was back home, a Recruiter Aid after Basic/AIT April 1980, I was on the job for around two weeks, the station received a new Recruiting Sergeant, an E-6 173rd Abn Bde 11B Viet Vet, 1966-67 (have his last name in the back of my mind right now, can't recall it), he wore the cap with the Paraglider patch, he was previously with the 82nd, it's possible he wore this even at the Recruiting Sergeants school (or was it a course). In any event, the station commander, a E-7 25th Div 11B Viet Vet, never took issue with it, and make him either remove it, or get a new one at clothing sales to wear the Recruiting Command's DI, here I gather it was good promotional stuff, you know Go AIRBORNE and stuff like that . Yeah I remember driving with him in those government sedans one day and this guy driving another car, apparently sees us getting into our car, spots his combat patch ( We always wore Class A and or Khaki for Recruiting Duty back then, we were in Class As that day) and follows us, at a red light, he pulls up and says "You where in the HERD I see, so was I, 1967-68 he said, a small back in forth between the two, the E-6 a White guy the other Civilian Vet a Black, The HERD Two Shades of Togetherness was the first thing I thought of . Yeah, I did the "Home Town Recruiter" thing for 2 months back in the pre-beret days. The 4 assigned and myself were all assigned to Airborne units at one time or another and we all wore our "Abn" overseas caps, again with no DUI. And it was a "promotional thing". Repeated that duty 2 years later (now beret in place) and was instructed by the Station NCOIC to wear beret to work while the other former Para's wore the patched cap, Again strictly "show" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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