patches Posted September 8, 2013 Author Share #51 Posted September 8, 2013 Found this interesting one, originaly posted by member noyinfringed back in 2008, here we see odd crests, not really sure what they are, the appear to be the early Aircraft Stars. They original Topic this coat is seen in. http://www.usmilitariaforum.com/upgradetest/index.php?/topic/16689-11th-af-alaska-defense-command/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seanmc1114 Posted September 19, 2013 Share #52 Posted September 19, 2013 Infantry School DUI being worn on the beret of the Command Sergeant Major of the Ranger Training Brigade at Fort Benning Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seanmc1114 Posted September 19, 2013 Share #53 Posted September 19, 2013 3rd Armored Division Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patches Posted September 19, 2013 Author Share #54 Posted September 19, 2013 Wasn't it the Infantry School DI that came first and the shoulder patch was then based on the metal/enameled DI? Yes it was. http://www.tioh.hqda.pentagon.mil/Heraldry/ArmyDUISSICOA/ArmyHeraldryUnit.aspx?u=7009 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seanmc1114 Posted September 19, 2013 Share #55 Posted September 19, 2013 Wasn't it the Infantry School DI that came first and the shoulder patch was then based on the metal/enameled DI? Yes it was. http://www.tioh.hqda.pentagon.mil/Heraldry/ArmyDUISSICOA/ArmyHeraldryUnit.aspx?u=7009 Yes, I knew that. And technically they are not exactly the same since the DUI has a silver border around the blue shield while the shield of the SSI is solid blue. But for all intents and purposes they are the same. And in my opinion, the Infantry School SSI is one of the nicest looking in the Army. Not too elaborate but very classy. But also notice on the link you posted that below the SSI and DUI it shows the same insignia referred to as a "Device" and says that was originally approved in 1922. I'm not really sure what "Device" means in that context. Maybe it was just used for signs, letterhead, etc. before the actual insignia was worn By the way, this is the DUI that I believe preceded the current one. However, I'm not sure if it was ever officially authorized since the Institute of Heraldry website says the current one was authorized in 1935 and I'm pretty sure I have seen references to this one being worn in WWII. Also, I think soldiers assigned to the Infantry School during WWII wore the Army Ground Forces SSI. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atb Posted September 19, 2013 Share #56 Posted September 19, 2013 Yes, I knew that. And technically they are not exactly the same since the DUI has a silver border around the blue shield while the shield of the SSI is solid blue. But for all intents and purposes they are the same. And in my opinion, the Infantry School SSI is one of the nicest looking in the Army. Not too elaborate but very classy. But also notice on the link you posted that below the SSI and DUI it shows the same insignia referred to as a "Device" and says that was originally approved in 1922. I'm not really sure what "Device" means in that context. Maybe it was just used for signs, letterhead, etc. before the actual insignia was worn By the way, this is the DUI that I believe preceded the current one. However, I'm not sure if it was ever officially authorized since the Institute of Heraldry website says the current one was authorized in 1935 and I'm pretty sure I have seen references to this one being worn in WWII. Also, I think soldiers assigned to the Infantry School during WWII wore the Army Ground Forces SSI. That one is for the WW2 Infantry Training Replacement Centers (IRTC), not The Infantry School at Ft. Benning. There were several IRTCs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patches Posted September 19, 2013 Author Share #57 Posted September 19, 2013 If any interested parties like, there is a photo they can post in Stanton's Uniforms of WWII that shows a portrait of a Soldier of the Infantry School in either pre war of very early war in Class A with the Follow Me DI on the lower lapels, don't have this book now, so I can't tell you what page it's on, I believe posting this photo would be a great follow up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seanmc1114 Posted September 21, 2013 Share #58 Posted September 21, 2013 If any interested parties like, there is a photo they can post in Stanton's Uniforms of WWII that shows a portrait of a Soldier of the Infantry School in either pre war of very early war in Class A with the Follow Me DI on the lower lapels, don't have this book now, so I can't tell you what page it's on, I believe posting this photo would be a great follow up. Here is the picture you are talking about. And he's not even Infantry but Quartermaster Corps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patches Posted September 21, 2013 Author Share #59 Posted September 21, 2013 That's the one, thank's, a QM soldier, obviously assigned in some support slot with in this Higher Command orgainzation, a Cook, Supply Clerk, File Clerk, or Typist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seanmc1114 Posted September 25, 2013 Share #60 Posted September 25, 2013 Here's a picture of LTC George M. Parker, Jr. from a 1936 edition of "The Doughboy" yearbook for the Infantry School officer course, wearing the Infantry School DUI's. This was just one year after the DUI was approved, although, as was often the case, they may have been worn before official approval. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patches Posted October 8, 2013 Author Share #61 Posted October 8, 2013 Ah, came across two more Manhatten Project PTCs being worn, the one guy the Tech 5 would be a immidiate post war guy by virtue of the quadruple discs, with service of course in the recently ended war. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seanmc1114 Posted October 25, 2013 Share #62 Posted October 25, 2013 China-Burma-India Theater. Note the SSI is snap-on which was very common in that theater to allow the patch to be removed before laundering the uniform. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patches Posted October 27, 2013 Author Share #63 Posted October 27, 2013 43rd Infantry Division. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seanmc1114 Posted November 13, 2013 Share #64 Posted November 13, 2013 Major General John A. B. Dillard, Jr., commander of the U.S. Army Engineer Command, Vietnam, when his helicopter was shot down and he was killed on May 12, 1970. In the picture he appears to be wearing the patch type crest of the first style of the U.S. Army Engineer Command, Vietnam (Provisional) which I believe was unofficial. The official SSI was not approved until 2 February 1971 and the Institute of Heraldry does not show any approved DUI. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patches Posted November 13, 2013 Author Share #65 Posted November 13, 2013 Good find on Gen Dillard, no doubt a set of Beer Cans Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seanmc1114 Posted November 21, 2013 Share #66 Posted November 21, 2013 Wasn't it the Infantry School DI that came first and the shoulder patch was then based on the metal/enameled DI? Yes it was. http://www.tioh.hqda.pentagon.mil/Heraldry/ArmyDUISSICOA/ArmyHeraldryUnit.aspx?u=7009 I know the DI technically existed before the SSI, but here's a great shot of Brigadier General Omar Bradley wearing the Infantry School DI on his cap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
36-tex Posted November 21, 2013 Share #67 Posted November 21, 2013 This Airman (in post #36) is none other than Ben Kuroki who was from Hershey, NE. I believe he was with the 8th AAF while in the ETO. After VE Day, he requested a transfer to the PTO which was granted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seanmc1114 Posted December 5, 2013 Share #68 Posted December 5, 2013 A couple showing the 3rd Infantry Division SSI worn as a crest, although in the second one, the soldier is wearing a different DUI on his cap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ithaca37 Posted December 5, 2013 Share #69 Posted December 5, 2013 A couple showing the 3rd Infantry Division SSI worn as a crest, although in the second one, the soldier is wearing a different DUI on his cap. That DI appears to be the 7th Infantry Regt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patches Posted December 5, 2013 Author Share #70 Posted December 5, 2013 That DI appears to be the 7th Infantry Regt. Yes indeed, the 7th Infantry's unit crest. Odd that he should not wear a pair on his lower lapels, perhaps a case of having only one regimental crest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ssggates Posted December 18, 2013 Share #71 Posted December 18, 2013 Here's an example from the 83rd Division Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seanmc1114 Posted December 23, 2013 Share #72 Posted December 23, 2013 Here's a couple of shots of a soldier from the 4th Armored Division in Germany in 1964 wearing the patch type crest on his pile cap. The crest appears to have a tab while his shoulder sleeve insignia does not. I have seen tabs for both "Breakthrough" and "Name Enough" for the 4th. Any thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tredhed2 Posted December 23, 2013 Share #73 Posted December 23, 2013 Tabs also exist for the 4th AD that say "Rolling 4th" and "Roosevelt's Butchers" but have never seen either of those on a DI "tab". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vzemke Posted December 24, 2013 Share #74 Posted December 24, 2013 His crests don't have some out-dated WWII nickname. Each brigade within the 4th AD during this 1960's time period had it's "own" patch type DI but with the brigade designator across the bottom (Artillery, 1st BDE, 2nd BDE, 3rd BDE, and Support Command, Division Trains, Combat Command A, Combat Command B, etc, etc depending on the time period). For proof, check this out: http://www.usarmygermany.com/Sont.htm?http&&&www.usarmygermany.com/units/4th%20Armd%20Div/USAREUR_4th%20Armd%20Div.htm -Vance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vzemke Posted December 24, 2013 Share #75 Posted December 24, 2013 follow up: If this photo is in fact from 1964, it would be after the "Combat Commands" were reorganized into Brigades. So our five options for his DI are 1st Brigade, 2nd Brigade, 3rd Brigade, Support Command and Artillery. -Vance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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