USMC-RECON0321 Posted January 30, 2013 Share #1 Posted January 30, 2013 Hello, I've looked at what references I have and on line images and I can't figure this one out. I hope the pictures are clear enough to figure this out. But as you can see this Insignia is under a coat of paint on a WWII helmet liner, so I can't give you any colors. The liner is a mid WWII liner and has this same insignia showing under the paint on both sides of the liner. Thanks for any help. Troy USMC 2/2 Fox Co 0311 & 1st Recon Bn Delta Co. 0321. 1986 - 1995 (Desert Storm 90/91)US Army Long Range Surveillance Co F 425th INF ABN LRS Team 1-6 2003 - 2005 (Iraqi Freedom 03/04) Link to post Share on other sites
USMC-RECON0321 Posted January 30, 2013 Author Share #2 Posted January 30, 2013 USMC 2/2 Fox Co 0311 & 1st Recon Bn Delta Co. 0321. 1986 - 1995 (Desert Storm 90/91)US Army Long Range Surveillance Co F 425th INF ABN LRS Team 1-6 2003 - 2005 (Iraqi Freedom 03/04) Link to post Share on other sites
Sabrejet Posted January 30, 2013 Share #3 Posted January 30, 2013 Looks vaguely like the DUI member hink441 uses as his avatar. "We shall defend our island, whatever the cost may be. We shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender!" Winston Churchill " Life is what happens to you when you're busy making other plans." John Winston Lennon Link to post Share on other sites
SergeantMajorGray Posted January 30, 2013 Share #4 Posted January 30, 2013 looking through a booklet of mine I see a few similar ones but nothing exact. Grandson of Command Sergeant Major Max I Gray U.S Army Also grandson of CWO-3 Arthur WillIam Seabury jr. USMC Link to post Share on other sites
RustyCanteen Posted January 30, 2013 Share #5 Posted January 30, 2013 103rd Infantry Regiment? "It is a capital mistake to theorize before one has data. Insensibly one begins to twist facts to suit theories, instead of theories to suit facts." *Sherlock Holmes in "A Scandal in Bohemia"* Link to post Share on other sites
jgawne Posted January 30, 2013 Share #6 Posted January 30, 2013 try a pencil rubbing on thin paper Link to post Share on other sites
Sabrejet Posted January 30, 2013 Share #7 Posted January 30, 2013 Could be, Rusty? "We shall defend our island, whatever the cost may be. We shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender!" Winston Churchill " Life is what happens to you when you're busy making other plans." John Winston Lennon Link to post Share on other sites
USMC-RECON0321 Posted January 30, 2013 Author Share #8 Posted January 30, 2013 Wow,,, You guys are good!! I think you nailed it. I don't see a scroll under it, but looks to be the one! 103rd Inf Regt. Thanks. Troy untitled.bmp USMC 2/2 Fox Co 0311 & 1st Recon Bn Delta Co. 0321. 1986 - 1995 (Desert Storm 90/91)US Army Long Range Surveillance Co F 425th INF ABN LRS Team 1-6 2003 - 2005 (Iraqi Freedom 03/04) Link to post Share on other sites
USMC-RECON0321 Posted January 30, 2013 Author Share #9 Posted January 30, 2013 Interesting quick history search! When called into service for World War II, the 103rd became part of the 43rd Infantry Division. During this conflict the 103rd took part in four major engagements: Guadalcanal, North Solomons, New Guinea and Luzon. They were the first outfit to reach the Ipo Dam which controlled one third of the water supply for the city of Manilla in addition to being one of the few regiments of the United States Army which actually made “Target Tokyo”. The 103rd lineage continued on when it became the 20th Armor in the 1950’s and early 60’s and later transitioned into today’s 133rd Engineer Battalion. USMC 2/2 Fox Co 0311 & 1st Recon Bn Delta Co. 0321. 1986 - 1995 (Desert Storm 90/91)US Army Long Range Surveillance Co F 425th INF ABN LRS Team 1-6 2003 - 2005 (Iraqi Freedom 03/04) Link to post Share on other sites
vintageproductions Posted January 30, 2013 Share #10 Posted January 30, 2013 If no scroll at the bottom, maybe its 12th Corps... www.vintageproductions.com "A militaria show is a social event for anti-socials" - A.T. 2008 ASMIC Executive President Link to post Share on other sites
SergeantMajorGray Posted January 30, 2013 Share #11 Posted January 30, 2013 If no scroll at the bottom, maybe its 12th Corps... that was one of my first thoughts. Grandson of Command Sergeant Major Max I Gray U.S Army Also grandson of CWO-3 Arthur WillIam Seabury jr. USMC Link to post Share on other sites
USMC-RECON0321 Posted January 30, 2013 Author Share #12 Posted January 30, 2013 No, I think it's a perfect match to the 103rd and even shows the same number of symbols inside the X. Also a closer inspection to the bottom of the crest does appear to have a scroll. It's hard to see due to being worn off from rubbing on the shell, but I can see something is there now that I know what I'm looking at. I tried to photo it, but very hard to catch with the camera. USMC 2/2 Fox Co 0311 & 1st Recon Bn Delta Co. 0321. 1986 - 1995 (Desert Storm 90/91)US Army Long Range Surveillance Co F 425th INF ABN LRS Team 1-6 2003 - 2005 (Iraqi Freedom 03/04) Link to post Share on other sites
SergeantMajorGray Posted January 30, 2013 Share #13 Posted January 30, 2013 yep I see it a perfect match glad it got figured out. Grandson of Command Sergeant Major Max I Gray U.S Army Also grandson of CWO-3 Arthur WillIam Seabury jr. USMC Link to post Share on other sites
hink441 Posted January 30, 2013 Share #14 Posted January 30, 2013 Looks vaguely like the DUI member hink441 uses as his avatar. Hello everyone. The DUI in my avatar is the 111th Field artillery from the 29th Inf Div. They are a Virginia National Guard component. I believe you guys are correct with the 103rd Inf Regt. Great detective work !! Chris Link to post Share on other sites
RustyCanteen Posted January 30, 2013 Share #15 Posted January 30, 2013 No, I think it's a perfect match to the 103rd and even shows the same number of symbols inside the X. Also a closer inspection to the bottom of the crest does appear to have a scroll. It's hard to see due to being worn off from rubbing on the shell, but I can see something is there now that I know what I'm looking at. I thought it looked like part of a scroll in the first pictures you posted, now we know. The symbols inside the x are actually the fleur de lis. RC "It is a capital mistake to theorize before one has data. Insensibly one begins to twist facts to suit theories, instead of theories to suit facts." *Sherlock Holmes in "A Scandal in Bohemia"* Link to post Share on other sites
USMC-RECON0321 Posted January 30, 2013 Author Share #16 Posted January 30, 2013 I thought it looked like part of a scroll in the first pictures you posted, now we know. The symbols inside the x are actually the fleur de lis. RC RC, Thanks for the info. I didn't know what to call those "fleur de lis"! I love to learn! Troy USMC 2/2 Fox Co 0311 & 1st Recon Bn Delta Co. 0321. 1986 - 1995 (Desert Storm 90/91)US Army Long Range Surveillance Co F 425th INF ABN LRS Team 1-6 2003 - 2005 (Iraqi Freedom 03/04) Link to post Share on other sites
Johnny Signor Posted January 30, 2013 Share #17 Posted January 30, 2013 Pick up a book on "Heraldry" from you local library , that will help you understand the DUI "jargon" Johnny Link to post Share on other sites
J_Andrews Posted January 30, 2013 Share #18 Posted January 30, 2013 The 103rd descended from the famous 20th Maine Vol Inf, as at Gettysburg, as in the movie. The azure saltire ("blue X") is a common heraldic motif in Army DUIs, used to denote Civil War service (from the CSA battle flag). Link to post Share on other sites
USMC-RECON0321 Posted January 31, 2013 Author Share #19 Posted January 31, 2013 The 103rd descended from the famous 20th Maine Vol Inf, as at Gettysburg, as in the movie. The azure saltire ("blue X") is a common heraldic motif in Army DUIs, used to denote Civil War service (from the CSA battle flag). Great information!! Thanks for the education! Troy USMC 2/2 Fox Co 0311 & 1st Recon Bn Delta Co. 0321. 1986 - 1995 (Desert Storm 90/91)US Army Long Range Surveillance Co F 425th INF ABN LRS Team 1-6 2003 - 2005 (Iraqi Freedom 03/04) Link to post Share on other sites
mainenationalguardhistory Posted February 16, 2016 Share #20 Posted February 16, 2016 Yes, that's the distinctive unit insignia for the 133rd Engineer Battalion, descended from the 103rd Infantry Regiment, which, during World War II, was part of the 43rd Division in the Pacific Theater of Operations. Here's their lineage: http://www.history.army.mil/html/forcestruc/lineages/branches/eng/0133enbn.htm And here's the heraldry: http://www.tioh.hqda.pentagon.mil/Catalog/HeraldryMulti.aspx?CategoryId=8305&grp=2&menu=Uniformed%20Services - Jonathan Link to post Share on other sites
468abnarm Posted February 19, 2016 Share #21 Posted February 19, 2016 If no scroll at the bottom, maybe its 12th Corps... My thought also, but you can see the fleur-de-lis's if you look very closely. No scroll could just be the difference between the DUI and the COA. Link to post Share on other sites
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