billmunny Posted January 28, 2013 Share #1 Posted January 28, 2013 Here's a neat photo of a Jeep presumably issued to the Soviets by the US, subsequently captured by the Germans and being used by the 2nd SS "Das Reich" Division..also note the captured Soviet submachine gun held by the SS trooper... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabrejet Posted January 28, 2013 Share #2 Posted January 28, 2013 Great picture...very interesting! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johan Willaert Posted January 28, 2013 Share #3 Posted January 28, 2013 A stamped grill MB in Russia in 1941?????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robinb Posted January 29, 2013 Share #4 Posted January 29, 2013 It also has a blackout light on the fender. That wasn't available in 1941. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawkdriver Posted January 29, 2013 Share #5 Posted January 29, 2013 I don't think that is 1941 on the card, look at the one in the 19, they are not the same. But then what number is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garandomatic Posted January 29, 2013 Share #6 Posted January 29, 2013 A sloppy 5 with the loop trailed entirely off of it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeeper704 Posted January 29, 2013 Share #7 Posted January 29, 2013 Or just an error of the person writing "father in Russia" on the back of that photo(?). Erwin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack's Son Posted January 29, 2013 Share #8 Posted January 29, 2013 Or just an error of the person writing "father in Russia" on the back of that photo(?). Erwin That sounds about right! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billmunny Posted January 29, 2013 Author Share #9 Posted January 29, 2013 The year must be either wrong or something else..the divisional symbol for the Das Reich division depicted I believe is '43 and after... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cobrahistorian Posted January 30, 2013 Share #10 Posted January 30, 2013 Not to mention the SS oak leaf pattern camouflage smock that didn't exist in 41... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johan Willaert Posted January 30, 2013 Share #11 Posted January 30, 2013 Maybe it's a re-enactment picture....... Just kidding... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeeper704 Posted January 30, 2013 Share #12 Posted January 30, 2013 I thought I recognized uncle Larry .... Erwin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Meatcan Posted January 30, 2013 Share #13 Posted January 30, 2013 maybe whoever wrote the photo caption on the back just got it wrong? I've been going through a lot of old family photos recently and have been amazed at how many have incorrect information written on the back at some point in time. Could have happened years later. We'll probably never really know for sure. A neat photo, at any rate! Terry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrei Posted January 30, 2013 Share #14 Posted January 30, 2013 Maybe it's a re-enactment picture....... Just kidding... Could be one. I've heard of fake WW2 pictures made by reenactors in Poland, Russia, Ukraine... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kammo-man Posted February 5, 2013 Share #15 Posted February 5, 2013 thats an M-38 or M-40 hand screened smock not oaK . OWEN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cobrahistorian Posted February 6, 2013 Share #16 Posted February 6, 2013 thats an M-38 or M-40 hand screened smock not oaK . OWEN Heh, cool, I learned something new. I didn't realize they had camo that early. Thanks Owen! The date is definitely wrong, but this has been a pretty cool thread! Jon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kammo-man Posted February 6, 2013 Share #17 Posted February 6, 2013 Cobra , They invented their first pattern in 1937. By 1941 they had it down to an art and by the end of the war had printed at least 25 different patterns ........including one that had carbon in the black to defeat night scopes !!! The US did not have this until 1981 .......they were only 40 years advanced !!!! owen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cobrahistorian Posted February 6, 2013 Share #18 Posted February 6, 2013 Owen, Awesome! I knew about their IR defeating camo pattern, but didn't realize they were producing camo uniforms prior to 1942. I suppose I should expand my TR reference library, but I just feel dirty doing so... Back to the jeep. Looks like at the earliest a 1942 MB to me. Messing with the brightness and contrast, it seems that there are hood numbers in blue drab, but I can't make out what they are. Jon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vostoktrading Posted February 12, 2013 Share #19 Posted February 12, 2013 Maybe they brought it with them? Das Reich was in Yugoslavia in March and April 1941 just before participating in Barbarossa. Did British & Commonweath forces from Egypt in 1941 have jeeps? If so, maybe it was picked up from the fighting in Greece when the British, Australians and New Zealanders went in to help the Greeks. I think 1st SS (Liebstandarte) was in Greece but maybe somehow the 2nd SS got a hold of this one from them... Just a thought. Jon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johan Willaert Posted February 12, 2013 Share #20 Posted February 12, 2013 Did British & Commonweath forces from Egypt in 1941 have jeeps? The thing is it is not a 1941 jeep, not even an early 1942... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uc Dai Loi Posted February 21, 2013 Share #21 Posted February 21, 2013 Elements of Das Reich Division were sent to Italy immediately after Kursk. which would also explain the "Kursk" division insignia being applied to the Jeep. The Division seems to have largely gone back to their traditional insignia by 1944. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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