capt.maddog Posted January 23, 2013 Share #1 Posted January 23, 2013 Hi what's item? is used for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ww2relichunter Posted January 23, 2013 Share #2 Posted January 23, 2013 almost looks like a cooking apron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1SG_1st_Cav Posted January 23, 2013 Share #3 Posted January 23, 2013 The Army wanted us to look sharp. So at certain times we wore scarves. Fortunately we didn't have to wear them in Vietnam. Danny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgawne Posted January 23, 2013 Share #4 Posted January 23, 2013 branch of service scarf. Normally in the branch color.. cammo was supposed to be used by SF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atb Posted January 23, 2013 Share #5 Posted January 23, 2013 almost looks like a cooking apron Just a bit too small for that use. The were worn around the neck under the uniform shirt (OG-107 fatigue or khaki). I wore a red one on Okinawa on special occasions or duty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ww2relichunter Posted January 23, 2013 Share #6 Posted January 23, 2013 thanks for the info mate now i know another fact if i ever see one of these Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patches Posted January 23, 2013 Share #7 Posted January 23, 2013 A interesting one, it's in the ERDL pattern, up till that point really the only ones one would see would be those leopard or frogskin camo scarfs, these were fairly common in the early to mid 60s, being worn by quite a few GIs how posed for portraits in fatiques, plus as mentioned among SF types as well as Airborne types. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Signor Posted January 23, 2013 Share #8 Posted January 23, 2013 Weren't they also called an "ascot" there's anothe photo in the forum of a serviceman wearing one just like yours.under the Aviation Flight clothing section, Uncommon and Obscure Combat patches, first photo , ............................ Johnny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patches Posted January 23, 2013 Share #9 Posted January 23, 2013 Weren't they also called an "ascot" there's anothe photo in the forum of a serviceman wearing one just like yours.under the Aviation Flight clothing section, Uncommon and Obscure Combat patches, first photo , ............................ Johnny Yes good eye Johnny, but on studying the photo it appears to be the standard 50s-60s frogskin/duck hunter scarf that Mitchell is wearing and not this ERDL type. Ascot, I think that was the 50s term for these, and or just another way of describing these by the the soldiers themselves, I,m sure all three names were used interchangeably in those days, Ascot, Scarf, Bib even with some probably calling it a Dickie. Not sure when these branch color and camouflage "scarfs' started to be U.S. Mil spec made though, you know with the GI nomemclature tags, maybe the late 50s early to mid 60s? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Signor Posted January 23, 2013 Share #10 Posted January 23, 2013 Just saw that I listed the photo , under wrong catagory of the forum, it is in the Shoulder/sleeve patch section under "Uncommon Combat patches" ................... Johnny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
usmc-collector Posted August 24, 2013 Share #11 Posted August 24, 2013 according to the military specification for manufacturing the following Classes and colors were used: Class 1 (Black) - Chaplains Corps, US Army Class 2 (Bottle Green) - Special Forces and Psychological Gperations Units, US Army Class 3 (Brick Red) - Transportation Units, US Army Class 4 (Buff) - Supply, Quartermaster, Supply and Services, Supply and Transportation ard Support Units, US Army and Coast Guard Class 5 (Cobalt Blue) - Chemical Units, US Army Class 6 (Crimson) - Ordnance and Maintenance Uinits, US Army Class 7 (Dark Blue) - National Guard Bureau and Judge Advocate General, Adjutant General, Inspector General Units, US Army and Coast Guard Class 8 (Green) - Staff Specialist and Military Police Units, US Army Class 9 (Light Blue) - Infantry Units, US Army Class 10 (Maroon) - Medical Units, US Army Class 11 (Old Gold) - Women‘s Army Corps Class 12 (Orange) - Signal Units, US Army Class 13 (Oriental Blue) - Military Intelligence Units, US Army Class 14 (Purple) - Civil Affairs Units, US Army Class 15 (Scarlet) - Engineers and Artillery Units, US Amy and Permanent Professors, USMA Class 16 (Silver Gray) - Finance Units, US Army Class 17 (Teal Blue) - Branch Unassigned, US Army Class 18 (Ultramarine Blue) - US Air Force & Aviation-Units, US Army Class 19 (Yellow) - Armor and Cavalry, Units, US Army Class 20 (White) Security Police, US Air Force ard Coast Guard Class 21 (Camouflage) - US Army and US Air Force Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captainofthe7th Posted August 25, 2013 Share #12 Posted August 25, 2013 Great info in the above post usmccollector! Since this resurfaced I figured I should add an image of a few of these ascots that I have: These below are big, full scarves, not the snap back 'apron' style ascot. These are from Korea and the 40th ID SSI is sewn onto the center, if I remember. I do not think it's fully embroidered on. Rob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patches Posted August 25, 2013 Share #13 Posted August 25, 2013 You don't have the 40th Div one anymore? Are the one in the first photo 1950s-60s w/tags? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captainofthe7th Posted August 25, 2013 Share #14 Posted August 25, 2013 You don't have the 40th Div one anymore? Are the one in the first photo 1950s-60s w/tags? The ones in the first photo do not have tags, I believe they're 50s vintage. The Cavalry ascot was ID'd to a LTG who's name escapes me at the moment. That'll give a clue to the era. I still have the 40th ID scarves, they're just not with me right now. I remember something unusual about the patch, like it's not just an SSI sewn on. I could be mistaken. I'll check on both the name and the 40th ID patch when I'm home again. I also have these camo ascots that came in this group, ID'd to Maj. Shankle who served in Korea as a forward observer. These should date to the mid 50s. You can see there's one similar to the one in the group I posted made of 'chute material like the helmet cover, and then another 'frogskin' style. Rob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patches Posted August 25, 2013 Share #15 Posted August 25, 2013 A superb grouping there Rob, West Point Graduation Book and All. This Major Shankle, we take it he was alot junior when he fought in Korea, correct? While we have you. What class was he at the Point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captainofthe7th Posted August 26, 2013 Share #16 Posted August 26, 2013 He was a 2nd Lt when he received the Silver Star at the Battle of Skeleton hill in May of 1951. He graduated with the class of 1950 http://www.usmilitariaforum.com/forums/index.php?/topic/163572-maj-j-f-shankle-silver-star-forward-observer-25th-id-korea/?hl=shankle Rob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seanmc1114 Posted August 26, 2013 Share #17 Posted August 26, 2013 This is the image I am most familiar with. Special Forces Captain Roger Donlon, first Medal of Honor recipient of the Vietnam War. The pattern is different as some of the earlier posts mentioned but it does show how they were worn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabrejet Posted August 26, 2013 Share #18 Posted August 26, 2013 I've got some miniature US patches, eg 82nd Abn...US made, cut-edge but maybe just 1" x 1" ? I was told that such patches were made for sewing onto "ascots"...would that be the case? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patches Posted August 26, 2013 Share #19 Posted August 26, 2013 I've got some miniature US patches, eg 82nd Abn...US made, cut-edge but maybe just 1" x 1" ? I was told that such patches were made for sewing onto "ascots"...would that be the case? Supposedly yes, they have these miniatures also in various unit crests, but I also am of the belief that while they can be used on the ascot/scarfs, that they also were depending on the size worn on the shoulder loops as alternative to metal DIs, a cloth DI as it were, the Divisional ones, a cloth form of a metal patch type crest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patches Posted August 26, 2013 Share #20 Posted August 26, 2013 Here another Parachute type worn in 1965. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firefighter Posted August 26, 2013 Share #21 Posted August 26, 2013 Heres Mel from 'We Were Soldiers'.His is blue but shouldn't it have been yellow for Cavalry? Also one of SSG Barry Sadler, Green Beret song. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patches Posted August 26, 2013 Share #22 Posted August 26, 2013 Nope by 1965 Blue Infantry Distinctives were worn in the 1st Cav Division, had been since the Blue Stuff First came out, though in the early period after the Blue Stuff came out some, whether as a unit or individualy wore Crossed Sabres rather then Crossed Rifles. This from an earlier post. Posted 16 January 2013 - 09:21 AM Here's the photo, I think this guys name is Abraham Lincoln, an Unknown unit of the 5th Cavalry in Japan 1956, we see the crossed sabres being worn with the Blue, not really sure who long this was affected, if it was confined only to the 5th Cavalry, or a specific unit within the 5th Cavalry, like a reach would be that Crossed Sabres may have been worn by the Regimental I&R Platoon in the Cavalry Regiments? As mention earlier the 1st Cavalry Division in the 50s early 60 contineud to display Cavarly Branch symbolisms, this might be a part of that, it is intresting though, the Cavarly ceased to be a seperate Branch , but as we have seen the Crossed Sabres without Tank continued to be seen being worn, usually by Officers, like all those Fatiques and Tropical Coats that crop up every so often, Officers most of the time Aviators, with cloth Crossed Sabre badges.A nice candid photo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patches Posted August 27, 2013 Share #23 Posted August 27, 2013 A earlier talk on this type of Uniform Embelishment. http://www.usmilitariaforum.com/upgradetest/index.php?/topic/54289-unknown-patches-on-bib-scarves/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captainofthe7th Posted August 28, 2013 Share #24 Posted August 28, 2013 Here's another one I have, with the small SSI embroidered directly. This came along with Gen. Hodes' HBT shirt, but I do not think they're affiliated, other than he was CG of the 24th in Korea. Rob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawk3370 Posted August 28, 2013 Share #25 Posted August 28, 2013 Weren't they also called an "ascot" there's anothe photo in the forum of a serviceman wearing one just like yours.under the Aviation Flight clothing section, Uncommon and Obscure Combat patches, first photo , ............................ Johnny is dead on, called an "ascot". I wore this exact version in the 82nd Abn in 1964 and again with SF in 65-67. There were various colors, ie: blue for infantry, red for arty etc. Most often an honor guard would wear a white one with the unit patch centered. The proper way to wear it was to roll it about three times so the stitching along the top didn't show and then tuck it under your fatique jacket or Class A uniform if in a parade. Terry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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