mmerc20 Posted January 16, 2013 Share #1 Posted January 16, 2013 Please no political discussions here. I don't want the thread to be locked. We all have our opinions on what's happening right now, lets not bring them up. With the possible closing of the imaginary "gun show loophole" (please again, no debates on this) does anyone have any idea if this would affect private sales of WWII era firearms or is it too early to tell? Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willysmb44 Posted January 16, 2013 Share #2 Posted January 16, 2013 At shows, yes. Between pals, no, I can't imagine it. If someone gives you guff because you aren't the owner anymore, you'd only have to say, "Hey, I did it before it was legally required" and there's no way anyone would know any better... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
normaninvasion Posted January 16, 2013 Share #3 Posted January 16, 2013 Mike, All I can say is regarding NY and private sales are now verboten. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugme Posted January 16, 2013 Share #4 Posted January 16, 2013 Too early to tell right now but, there is an ugly specter hanging over all private sales. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeeperz83 Posted January 16, 2013 Share #5 Posted January 16, 2013 Yes, it will. Essentially the new "universal background check" law as proposed would require the transfer of any modern firearm (post 1898 manufacture) to undergo a background check, even private sales from individual to individual. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SergeantMajorGray Posted January 16, 2013 Share #6 Posted January 16, 2013 what do you do if you have guns from a family member that passed away are they technically yours? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldfireguy Posted January 17, 2013 Share #7 Posted January 17, 2013 It's to early to tell at the federal level. It's the state level you need to worry about. NY is a prime example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
normaninvasion Posted January 17, 2013 Share #8 Posted January 17, 2013 I should also mention, if any members want to see the worst case scenario gun laws, read what NY just passed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garandomatic Posted January 17, 2013 Share #9 Posted January 17, 2013 It'd be nice if they kept that date rolling. Don't know the last time a crime was committed with a 1911 production 22 Winchester pump, or 03. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugme Posted January 17, 2013 Share #10 Posted January 17, 2013 We are NOT talking about New York, the original poster was asking about the sale and exchange of WWII era military weapons and what potential issues we could face as collectors. I know it's hard to restrain yourself from making this political or to make some sort of a comparison but, please try guys. Don't make us lock this one up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Baker Posted January 17, 2013 Share #11 Posted January 17, 2013 Don't ask, don't tell............. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmerc20 Posted January 17, 2013 Author Share #12 Posted January 17, 2013 I am frustrated like a lot of people and some have very strong opinions which is why I initially stated to not let this turn political. I really don't want it locked. I am very curious if I will no longer be able to sell my WWII firearms without somehow doing a check on the buyer. I have to wonder if the C&R list might be exempt from the background checks. Really, who knows what is going to happen in the end. Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gpw_42 Posted January 17, 2013 Share #13 Posted January 17, 2013 I have to wonder if the C&R list might be exempt from the background checks. Really, who knows what is going to happen in the end. Mike A C&R licensee has already completed the background check appropriate for the C&R license (a form of FFL, but with greater limitations than an 01 FFL; 01 FFL is a licensed gun dealer). Therefore, a C&R holder is exempt from further background check when buying a C&R eligible firearm, as the law works today. I think at this stage it's too early to tell how these PROPOSED laws will affect sales between individuals (note this was not one of the 23 Executive Actions signed today). The only thing certain at this stage is that there will be changes...what those will look like depend on numerous factors beyond the scope of this thread. Death and taxes, the only certainties in life. Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12thengr Posted January 17, 2013 Share #14 Posted January 17, 2013 If you don't live in New York State I wouldn't begin to worry just yet. Federal gun laws must go through the House of Representatives and currently they can't blow their collective noses' without an argument on party lines. Western states if they change anything at all will grandfather most everything. If you are worried that in future, gun laws will become more sane, then the answer is yes ,they probably will. If you need a high capacity, assault type rifle for any reason, best get in line and buy it soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAW Posted January 17, 2013 Share #15 Posted January 17, 2013 Don't ask, don't tell. That's the rule until we get a new administration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quack Posted January 17, 2013 Share #16 Posted January 17, 2013 The title and Post #1 don't match--- Be aware, in the US TODAY, WW2 firearms are NOT antiques. That term in law is preserved for older weapons, I think (don't quote me on this) produced prior to 1897. Thus, WW2 items come under all the same regulations as current production stuff. Doc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawkdriver Posted January 17, 2013 Share #17 Posted January 17, 2013 On the proposed list that I originally got, the very first gun on the list was the M1 Carbine. The problem with these presidential decrees is that first they are not laws and there is some constitutionality as to whether they have to be followed. Presidential orders are normally used to modify how the Executive Branch operates, not how the people operate. Even if they do hold, the likely hood that they will be enforced with any vigor is minimal. Let's face it here, drugs have been illegal for how many decades and LEA can't seem to put a dent in that. At the individual levels, these decrees will only keep the super-honest honest. The burden of proof will be on the .gov to prove that you had a weapon before the decrees. I will make a bet that the number of guns displayed on this forum will shrink dramatically. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LtRGFRANK Posted January 17, 2013 Share #18 Posted January 17, 2013 what guns. I don't have any guns! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoovieDude Posted January 17, 2013 Share #19 Posted January 17, 2013 what guns. I don't have any guns! Me neither. Unfortunately, majority of mine we lost when whitewater rafting. The others were stolen by da bears when camping later that night, while we huddled around the campfire to dry out from the raft that capsized earlier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shenkursk Posted January 17, 2013 Share #20 Posted January 17, 2013 The burden of proof will be on the .gov to prove that you had a weapon before the decrees. I respectfully disagree. The MoH issue is a prime example of 'guilty until proven innocent' enforcement. Yes, you can have anything that you had prior to the change.. but the burden is on you to have evidence to support that claim. At this point of course it is still speculation as to how any actual legislation will look, and if it will or will not pass. (That is the self-censored and highly edited apolitical, bland, short version of an otherwise very passionate and colorful rant on these topics.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugme Posted January 17, 2013 Share #21 Posted January 17, 2013 (That is the self-censored and highly edited apolitical, bland, short version of an otherwise very passionate and colorful rant on these topics.) You done good Jeff, congratulations! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack's Son Posted January 17, 2013 Share #22 Posted January 17, 2013 I will quietly go on with my personal business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted January 17, 2013 Share #23 Posted January 17, 2013 I hate to say it, but the new laws look a lot like what we've had in California for a while. All purchases (even private party) have to be handled via an FFL dealer and have a 2 week waiting period as well as a "test" to show the FFL dealer that the buyer knows how to handle the weapon. I know this is an anathema to some ("OMG, I can't walk into a gun shop and walk out with a gun!!!") but I've survived buying my last batch of guns under these conditions and I am still alive, still have a pulse, and have added some really nice guns in my collection. Maybe I'm in the minority, but I don't have a problem with people having to get a gun license, have background checks, and the like. At least they aren't mandating that all guns be turned into non-guns like our UK friends. I don't see this as the end of the world...yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack's Son Posted January 17, 2013 Share #24 Posted January 17, 2013 YET, has become NOW. NOW, has become TOO LATE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Dentino Posted January 17, 2013 Share #25 Posted January 17, 2013 Don't ask, don't tell............. My thoughts exactly Jim! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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