Airborne1944 Posted January 9, 2013 Share #1 Posted January 9, 2013 Hey all, as title says, are these double buckle boots WWII? Don't know much about the differences, so any help much appreciated! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patches Posted January 9, 2013 Share #2 Posted January 9, 2013 Yes, but give that US headed serial number indicates that Spengler was a post WWII serving GI, any time after 1946 till ? 1953 or there abouts, after that date the WWII buckle top boots were basicaly superceaded by the new Brown High top combat boots, though they were no doubt continued to worn a little later by those that had them as a field foot gear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craig_pickrall Posted January 9, 2013 Share #3 Posted January 9, 2013 The rivet indicates those boots are very early. The first group of double buckle boots were actually field shoes that had that rivet. The double buckle top was added to the shoes. I'm not sure how long the rivet continued in use after they started making them as double buckle rather than converting older shoes. Early boot: Later boot: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airborne1944 Posted January 9, 2013 Author Share #4 Posted January 9, 2013 Yes, but give that US headed serial number indicates that Spengler was a post WWII serving GI, any time after 1946 till ? 1953 or there abouts, after that date the WWII buckle top boots were basicaly superceaded by the new Brown High top combat boots, though they were no doubt continued to worn a little later by those that had them as a field foot gear. So these are WWII but used post war? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craig_pickrall Posted January 9, 2013 Share #5 Posted January 9, 2013 I forgot to mention the fact that they are dyed black indicates use after 1956. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airborne1944 Posted January 9, 2013 Author Share #6 Posted January 9, 2013 The rivet indicates those boots are very early. The first group of double buckle boots were actually field shoes that had that rivet. The double buckle top was added to the shoes. I'm not sure how long the rivet continued in use after they started making them as double buckle rather than converting older shoes. Early boot: Later boot: You say they are early boots, HOWEVER... i have read that the white lining in the cuffs is late. Hm, i will definetly buy these if that is the case then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airborne1944 Posted January 9, 2013 Author Share #7 Posted January 9, 2013 I forgot to mention the fact that they are dyed black indicates use after 1956. I just saw some dyed black ones on Ebay dated '43 and wondered why someone would dye them that colour... At first I thought it was just through age and dubbing etc... Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airborne1944 Posted January 9, 2013 Author Share #8 Posted January 9, 2013 I forgot to mention the fact that they are dyed black indicates use after 1956. Also to mention, are the soles post war? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patches Posted January 9, 2013 Share #9 Posted January 9, 2013 I forgot to mention the fact that they are dyed black indicates use after 1956. craig, these boots Airborne1944 posted are dyed Black? I too thought these are just real dark from age etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airborne1944 Posted January 9, 2013 Author Share #10 Posted January 9, 2013 Note: These are original WWII 1943 Boston Deport buckle boots. Look at how dark these are. Original '43 dated ones I said earlier that have been dyed black. These are far far darker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
usaaf93 Posted January 9, 2013 Share #11 Posted January 9, 2013 Does anyone know when were us the green or white lining ? When did it become white ? thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craig_pickrall Posted January 9, 2013 Share #12 Posted January 9, 2013 This pair looks a lot like yours. You can easily tell these are dyed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airborne1944 Posted January 9, 2013 Author Share #13 Posted January 9, 2013 Those look alot darker though. In the pictures it appears there is no signs of dye being used (no blobs on the interior) Are the soles on my ones post war? They look odd. Also nexr to the size stamp it is stamped JV, does that mean anything? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UPNATM Posted January 9, 2013 Share #14 Posted January 9, 2013 craig, these boots Airborne1944 posted are dyed Black? I too thought these are just real dark from age etc. They could just be really dark from dubbing them over and over again....plus the dirt and grime that would build up over time as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craig_pickrall Posted January 10, 2013 Share #15 Posted January 10, 2013 As to whether your boots are dyed black or if they have just had lots of dubbing applied, you should be able to determine this by examining the inside. If there was black dye it is a good chance it will show up on the inside somewhere. The Army issued a recall on dubbing just at the end of the war. It was destroying the boots. Another tell on your boots is they have black laces. If you look at mine the dyed boots have black laces but the two pair of brown boots I posted have brown laces. Of course as always each of us is free to believe what ever we want. The soles on your boots are hard to determine because they are worn out and any signs of details to determine maker, etc. is gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craig_pickrall Posted January 10, 2013 Share #16 Posted January 10, 2013 This is just one example of what the sole should look like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patches Posted January 10, 2013 Share #17 Posted January 10, 2013 I wondering why these boots wear dyed Black, I imagine that they were dyed Black to conform with the change over to Black boots in late 1956 through 1957-58, most likely by some old timer, I can't imagine anyone else going the the trouble of doing this, newer men would have at least the high top Brown boots and dye them or just gent a brand new speficially made pair Black Combat Boots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craig_pickrall Posted January 10, 2013 Share #18 Posted January 10, 2013 I have read that recruits were issued one pair of the M1949 boots and one pair of double buckle boots until late 50's or early 60's. I don't think the new issue black boots arrived until 1962. They were ordered to dye their boots after 1956. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabrejet Posted January 10, 2013 Share #19 Posted January 10, 2013 Post-war, a kind of "waterproof" coating was applied to many buckle boots...I have just such a pair. It has the effect of darkening the boots (dark brown) and, as I understand it, was meant to give the boots a more presentable "garrison look" rather than the rough-out field service look. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craig_pickrall Posted January 10, 2013 Share #20 Posted January 10, 2013 The 1st boot I posted has that brown coating and the 2nd does not. Ian, what is your best guess on dye vs dubbing on the original boots posted? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabrejet Posted January 10, 2013 Share #21 Posted January 10, 2013 I'm thinking dye Craig, because of the uniform colour of the boot cuffs! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airborne1944 Posted January 10, 2013 Author Share #22 Posted January 10, 2013 When I get home I will post some more pics of the interior of the boots and you guys can make judgement from there if they are dyed or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airborne1944 Posted January 10, 2013 Author Share #23 Posted January 10, 2013 Ok here is some extra pictures & some ones of the interior as promised Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airborne1944 Posted January 10, 2013 Author Share #24 Posted January 10, 2013 If post war, does this mean the boots were MADE post war or they were just issued post war? I think I will buy these, considering it is for re-enactment use and the fact they have rivets... i have looked at other buckle boots for sale and they do not so when these are covered up with leggings they will look exactly like service shoe roughouts and a lot cheaper too. The seller does label them as black ones, but says they are vintage 1940's WWII ones. I will need to replace laces anyway as one boot has them missing so will get correct WWII ones, however I think I have seen those exact laces on WWII examples aswell... Do you guys think these are dyed? Would I be able to remove the dye possibly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airborne1944 Posted January 10, 2013 Author Share #25 Posted January 10, 2013 Saw these WWII originals on this forum (hope the owner doesnt mind me stealing his pic lol) Anyways, look at how dark these ones are!! I really think this is debatable weather they are dyed or polished. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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