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I would say some guys here sould better get one of his book first and get it study!

that will help avoid everybody mixing up completely different patterns like some doing here!

 

There are many good reasons for Jonsons pattern names and cut declarations!

Jonson did a very good job on his book so far and we all sould paying him a little bit more respect for his work!

 

 

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My head hurts after reading the last few replies here. I'm sadly confused. I'd rather see fakes in a separate thread. That would really help new or casual collectors (like me) just as much as seeing the real ones.

 

Here's my contribution to the thread. I had shown this here before but not in this thread.

 

The set is from an SF friend of mine. This is my favorite pattern. I have no idea what you guys called it before the RJ book but I love it. I'd like to find a larger set someday. This set is AM.

 

 

nice late war light-wight dense pattern (LLD) shirt by the way!

 

for all who don't have Jonsons book....

 

...the garment cut is a N2B-EXP-2P

 

N - *Non-cuff* type straight sleeves

2B - *2 buttons upon each of the breast pockets

EXP - those buttons upon each breast pockets are *EXPosed*

2P - 2 pockets total upon this garment

 

regards,

 

mike

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First off MF, I have NO interest in getting that book and wouldn't waste my money on it. It appears I made a mistake with the names because I NEVER use RJ's names so DON'T tell me that I should buy that book. I have said it before, it was good effort for it's time but myself and others will NEVER refer to any tigers using Johnson's terms.

All I was trying to do was show the difference of particular shapes of a pattern and how even though they may look the same, they aren't. At least I have some of the actual material in question to try and compare the patterns. If I'm wrong according the Johnson book you guys worship like the bible, so be it, I have NO problem with it.

 

Why don't you guys who think that that EBAY set is fake do this......wait awhile, look at the sellers feedback from the winner of the tigers, might be someone on here, and ASK the winner to send more detailed pics, that should settle it once and for all. If it turns out to be a TSP set, I'll be the first to admit I was wrong.

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ok, it took me two readings of Spike's post to understand it.

but he doesn't say silver is the same as classic pattern (hey, no Johnson names!)

 

the other question asked here was if anybody has a classic set with the questioned stripe.

I'll go through all the pictures of classics posted here. Later.

Maybe I'll find one, or not.

 

And yeah, Owen's right, post some new pictures here!

Everyone.

More tigers! :)

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This last area of disagreement only re-enforces the need for a book on camo uniforms from Owen. His knowledge in this area is extensive and I am sure he could provide the collector community with items and information we have never seen. He has said that he is working with Roger Bender on this subject, but unfortunately this has taken years.

We need a thorough work on the subject of camo uniforms, especially from the Vietnam era! This forum, while good, is not concise enough or easy enough to search for information on this subject.

Owen, please increase your efforts in this area for the benefit of everyone!

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Lads ,

I am working on this project as time allows .

Its a different approach from the RJ book.

As it should be.

I am going to nail down patterns by years with both period pictures and modern uniform studies.

Tiger shall only be one aspect of this work as I shall cover WW2 items used during the first Indo china time frame and how these became what we know today.

So it will be a 45 to 75 story with a tiny what happened next section.

I will do my best nailing down what I have found during my travels into this complex story ,and dont forget any help by other collectors will be both needed and welcomed.

I myself have owned hundreds of items over the years but am lucky in knowing some of the other collectors who also have been quietly putting away special pieces that when viewed together will bind the complete story together.

Now who has some monster pattern ??????

owen

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Mike ,

this is first model tiger , not the flight suit shown above .

scale is completely different as are colors .

owen

 

 

I know the uniform you showing here thats a very nice and mint VNMC 1st pattern for sure.

 

the scale and the colors on flight suit confused me a bit too thats not the way it is normally but it also dosn't look like a VNMC 2nd pattern print?

 

that must be realy somthing special its a interestin pice @ all!?

 

let's wait for some close up pix.

 

mike

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Just because its NOT 1st pattern ...still does not mean its not an early rare first pattern print.

 

Think the pattern as issued to the Army .

 

Only as the Beo-gam peaked caps with the ties to the rear as only made in a hybrid light weight fabric .......so is the issue Tiger cap made from the light weight fabric , unless its a shirt cup up at camp level.

Here is the flight suit print on a cap .

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Here is a quick side by side .

The colors and fabric printing are light years apart , VNMC patten being screen printed on TOP of the fabric , cap being VAT dyed INTO the fabric .

The first pattern cloth dates from pre 63 and the cap around 63, so its safe to say some one got hold of the flight suit fabric around or later d=from this time frame , maybe even way later as the pattern could have been scraped by the time the suit was ordered and thats all their was to hand ?

 

owen

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Something just for Owen. ;) This a modern day dark tiger stripe uniform being used by the Afghan National Directorate of Security (NDS) who are US trained by the CIA and US Special Forces. Basically....the NDS is the Afghan version of the US CIA.

 

What is interesting about this set is that it is modeled after the US Special Forces modified uniforms. This one has chest pockets and pockets on the sleeve. There are no lower pockets as body armor would make these pockets useless. As you can see, the set also has shoulder straps for the wear of rank slides.

 

Not 100% sure if this set is US made or Afghan made. As you can see, a dark tiger stripe would is not suited for Afghanistan. I think them wearing this pattern has more to do with the NDS being an elite organization than anything else.

 

Link to tiger stripe article: http://kitup.military.com/2010/06/tiger-st...fghanistan.html

 

The only marking I can find on these is a L tag in the neck area. Other than that...no markings whatsoever. I know these may look like commercial hunting garments, but they are not. If you notice in the picture I posted of this pattern being in use, you can see the first soldier's shoulder strap coming out from underneath the body armor.

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According to what I've read, there are a lot of variations in the colorings of these sets.

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Gimp,

The guy at the very end does appear to be wearing the TSP or Tru-Spec. I'd like to find a set of it with all the patches.

 

I think the dark tiger set I just bought will be displayed in the "war room" with an Afghan copy of the US Dpecial Forces Direct Action (DA) Trauma vest.

Arch

 

p.s. thanks for the compliment! :thumbsup:

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Several things going on here .

 

Its great to see Tiger having a long shelf life and still being thought of as a viable pattern.

Dang its now hitting 60 !!!!

 

Both Classic and the dark print from the 80s being used , with just the L tag it sounds like its being re poped in the Local area , until I got to seriously finger a set thats all my thoughts so far , but WOW its great to see there is life in the old dog still.

 

 

oen

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