Jack's Son Posted November 11, 2012 Share #51 Posted November 11, 2012 The helmet is fake so its not worth anything either OH......I was hoping you would shed some light of the tall-tale points of what was wrong with it. That's all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jkash23686 Posted November 11, 2012 Share #52 Posted November 11, 2012 I did earlier in the post. Here is the short list again: 1. The marking. there is something 100% wrong with it that all fakers get wrong PM me and we can discuss dont want to give it away since its a huge red flag none of them seem to catch. 2. chin cup. 3. the A yolks on the westinghouse liner are OD3 and look way to clean to the rest of the helmet. 4. The weave on the A yolks and the white cut edges look like repo. to me. 5. The aging on the marking looks like they just took rocks and threw it at it to take some chunks out and it looks like a stencil from war hats. 6. if you look close at the chips taken out of the marking you see no rust. Take a look at some of the rest of the chips on the lid which were probably there for a while you can easily see discoloration and rust, leading me to believe the chips in the winged foot are brand spanking new. 7. if i counted correctly the straps have 10 row weave. 8. looking back at the marking it looks like the white is under the blue of the foot. The few that I have seen that had the white outline it was just that, an outline it wasn't painted white first then blue applied on top. My 508th is just a solid color though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Reijnders Posted November 11, 2012 Share #53 Posted November 11, 2012 Helmet : As fake as fake can be Westinghouse jumpliner with OD-3 yokes and wire buckle , Also the first aid package is fake What a shame , hope a lot of bid retractions follow before this auction reaches his end It's already over 10.000 $ Regards, Paul Reijnders Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabrejet Posted November 11, 2012 Share #54 Posted November 11, 2012 This is a bit like watching a car crash from the sidelines. You know it's going to happen but can't do anything to stop it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Carter Posted November 11, 2012 Share #55 Posted November 11, 2012 Obviously being schill bid up which I'm seeing more and more - anyone serious about collecting airborne who thought there was anything in this group with any redeaming value should reevaluate what they're doing in this hobby and start studying real examples before investing any time or money into something like this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave peifer Posted November 11, 2012 Share #56 Posted November 11, 2012 js............jcash pretty much sums it up,just looking at the pics on e-bay the paint ,especially on the shell,just screams bad to me........body and insignia.........also looking at the nape strap it looks to be 1945 dated.on this lid i would expect to see an earlier date,just my view..............dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabrejet Posted November 11, 2012 Share #57 Posted November 11, 2012 That helmet is over-egged in the extreme! It's like someone analysed what sells a faked helmet then decided to put it all onto a single helmet! Finding an original WW2 unit marked airborne helmet is unusual enough, but to have a unit marked airborne shell with an MP marked liner featuring divisional and Army patches....?!! I don't understand why he didn't go all the way and add a few GO's stars for good measure! The trouble is, as "brands" the 82nd and 101st are irrevocably tainted thanks to an excess of publicity in the movies and books etc., which has bestowed upon them an almost mythical status. Collectors must also share some of the responsibility for this hype. The end result is a plethora of fake and grossly over-priced items such as the examples we see here. I've got both 82nd and 101st uniform items which I've had since the early 80s, way before "airborne mania" took off (no pun intended!) which I'm very happy with.....but I would never buy anything associated with either division in the future unless it was supplied with cast-iron provenance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Costa Posted November 11, 2012 Share #58 Posted November 11, 2012 i thought i was the only nut buying wings left and right but, i see there are bigger nuts out there! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill47 Posted November 11, 2012 Share #59 Posted November 11, 2012 Up over $15,000 now and still the reserve hasn't been met. It's attracted 11 bidders and has plenty of time to go. I'm going to feel bad for somebody. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack's Son Posted November 11, 2012 Share #60 Posted November 11, 2012 I did earlier in the post. Here is the short list again: 1. The marking. there is something 100% wrong with it that all fakers get wrong PM me and we can discuss dont want to give it away since its a huge red flag none of them seem to catch. 2. chin cup. 3. the A yolks on the westinghouse liner are OD3 and look way to clean to the rest of the helmet. 4. The weave on the A yolks and the white cut edges look like repo. to me. 5. The aging on the marking looks like they just took rocks and threw it at it to take some chunks out and it looks like a stencil from war hats. 6. if you look close at the chips taken out of the marking you see no rust. Take a look at some of the rest of the chips on the lid which were probably there for a while you can easily see discoloration and rust, leading me to believe the chips in the winged foot are brand spanking new. 7. if i counted correctly the straps have 10 row weave. 8. looking back at the marking it looks like the white is under the blue of the foot. The few that I have seen that had the white outline it was just that, an outline it wasn't painted white first then blue applied on top. My 508th is just a solid color though I'm sorry Dave!! I had read your earlier post, and forgot it was yours......(embarrassed emoticon) ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Costa Posted November 11, 2012 Share #61 Posted November 11, 2012 i hope the winner has his life insurance up to date for when he finds out he won a put together landfill he will hang himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabrejet Posted November 11, 2012 Share #62 Posted November 11, 2012 Another example of fraud via epay ? It's highly illegal where I come from! How do these people get away with it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave peifer Posted November 11, 2012 Share #63 Posted November 11, 2012 15,200.00........5 days to go..........35 bids.............reserve not met............thats insane Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawkdriver Posted November 11, 2012 Share #64 Posted November 11, 2012 Up over $15,000 now and still the reserve hasn't been met. It's attracted 11 bidders and has plenty of time to go. I'm going to feel bad for somebody. Correction, only 10 bidders. I never had any intentions of actually bidding on and winning this. I'm what you would call a fake shill bidder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugme Posted November 11, 2012 Share #65 Posted November 11, 2012 What we're seeing is a creative way to sell a fake grouping, you put enough good stuff in with the fake and build a grouping that you hope will be ignored by close scrutiny. In this case, I'm guessing that the bidders are Airborne collectors but, NOT helmet collectors. They are seeing enough good stuff to make them believe that the helmet is legit also. Even if this group was good, the current price would already be above the maximum value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manayunkman Posted November 11, 2012 Share #66 Posted November 11, 2012 Has anyone informed the seller that they have become the object of scrutiny on this forum or that the helmet is bad ? And where did they come up with the reserve ? What is the precedent ? Maybe the reserve will not be met. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawkdriver Posted November 11, 2012 Share #67 Posted November 11, 2012 Has anyone informed the seller that they have become the object of scrutiny on this forum or that the helmet is bad ? And where did they come up with the reserve ? What is the precedent ? Maybe the reserve will not be met. Look at the seller. They are a "estate seller", what better advertising. I guarantee you that when it's all said and done, some of those bidders will be contacting them with the old, "if you come into more of this stuff, please contact me" routine. What do they have to loose? Put a ridiculously high reserve on the group and if it goes there, roll in the money. If it doesn't, relatively cheap advertising, costing you the charge for the stupidly high reserve price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uplandmod Posted November 11, 2012 Share #68 Posted November 11, 2012 The drool in the title of this thread has evolved from the drool of want to the drool of stupidity. Leonardo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manayunkman Posted November 11, 2012 Share #69 Posted November 11, 2012 And I am quite sure that the 82nd did not do MP duty at the Nuremberg trial. It was the 508th MP battalion which had no connection to the 82nd AB or 508th PIR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack's Son Posted November 12, 2012 Share #70 Posted November 12, 2012 The drool in the title of this thread has evolved from the drool of want to the drool of stupidity. Leonardo I do feel sorry for whoever wastes their money here. I hope some part(s) of the group will be worth something toward the purchase price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manayunkman Posted November 12, 2012 Share #71 Posted November 12, 2012 At this price it is a joke. There are so many things wrong with this group. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack's Son Posted November 12, 2012 Share #72 Posted November 12, 2012 AH.......Manny, I still hate to see somebody take it in the shorts this badly! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
w4uvv Posted November 12, 2012 Share #73 Posted November 12, 2012 Does anyone really believe this estate seller cares what members of a user forum critique? It bottoms lines out to a dollar sign. As far as the value of something, that is in the eye of the beholder especially in an auction. The bidders believe the group has value and unless deliberate misrepresentarion or fraud can be proven it is offered as listed. Ebay didn't have a problem with it. If anybody believes it is being misrepresented then send an email complaint to Ebay or email questions and concerns to the seller. The auction hasn't ended yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manayunkman Posted November 12, 2012 Share #74 Posted November 12, 2012 You are right W4 . Everyone should email him and ebay. A lot of people think that ebay doesn't care but they are more sensitive then ever about what is going on. JS a hit like that would be devastating to me even if I were rich it would break my heart and really tick me off to know I had been had. The seller is knowledgable too to be able to ID the liner and the parts. I am pretty sure we have discussed him before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ssggates Posted November 12, 2012 Share #75 Posted November 12, 2012 Has anyone thrown the vets info up here so potential researching bidders have a fair chance to view these opinions? I will just in case. Cpl Leslie G. Johnston Anyway, if that's a party foul mods please remove. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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