manayunkman Posted November 6, 2012 Wow. I had no idea there were so many variations of this insignia. Thank you for the education. M Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KurtA Posted November 6, 2012 Here's a one piece stamped example by Vanguard. The N is slightly curved, so, I'd say 1940's era. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
holdaas Posted November 9, 2012 Here's something interesting, they never specified that the anchor was supposed to be metal in the 1897 uniform instruction. I doubt there are any left out there but cloth anchor patches did exist. IN SEARCH OF: Chief Petty Officer combination cover anchors. Chief Petty Officer rating badges Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
holdaas Posted November 9, 2012 This same picture "Circa 1900 U.S. Battleship Texas Chief Petty Officers" has the only picture of a band master Chief Petty Officer I've ever seen. SPECIAL REGULATIONS. BLUE CAP. (a) For chief petty officers, except band masters (Pl. 1, fig. 1, except device).—Dark navy-blue cloth, band of lustrous black mohair; visor of black patent leather, bound with same, green underneath; chin strap of black patent leather one-half (1/2) inch wide, fastened at the side with two small gilt navy buttons, and provided with one gilt and one leather slide. There shall be two small eyelet ventilating holes in each side of the quarters. The device shall be the letters U. S. N. in silver upon a gilt foul anchor. IN SEARCH OF: Chief Petty Officer combination cover anchors. Chief Petty Officer rating badges Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Justin B. Posted November 9, 2012 This same picture "Circa 1900 U.S. Battleship Texas Chief Petty Officers" has the only picture of a band master Chief Petty Officer I've ever seen. Cool picture, but I'm not 100% sure he's a bandmaster. He's way back, not posed with the group, and the cap with the lyre was worn by all musicians. At that time, navy bandsmen's uniform, including bandmasters, was more similar to USMC blues. Could be the bandmaster, could be a band member who "photo-bombed" the goat locker picture! At any rate, it's a fascinating photograph and thanks for posting! Justin B. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
holdaas Posted November 10, 2012 Justin B. You’re right, but that mustache rivals any Chief I ever saw! I've never seen that cover or device, other than this picture. IN SEARCH OF: Chief Petty Officer combination cover anchors. Chief Petty Officer rating badges Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Justin B. Posted November 10, 2012 Justin B. You’re right, but that mustache rivals any Chief I ever saw! I've never seen that cover or device, other than this picture. Agreed, the 'stache is quite a statement! I haven't seen photos of that kepi-style cover, either, but here is one with the bell-crown type from the Navy History and Heritage Command site: The bandmaster, center with baton, still doesn't wear the anchor device. I think it was 1913 when "except bandmasters" was removed from the regs regarding the CPO cap. Justin B. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
graham Posted November 10, 2012 Here are some better pics of my early sew on cpo hat insgnia Graham Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
graham Posted November 10, 2012 Size comparison with early pin back. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
graham Posted November 10, 2012 My WW1 pin back by A,E and Co Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
graham Posted November 10, 2012 c WW2. From left to right, Acid test , H+H. Blackinton. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
graham Posted November 10, 2012 L to R , Rancraft with applied chain. Gemsco, screw back, post 1947. Acid test. [Amcraft ?] this is interesting as it has the straight USN but has snowflake back often associated with the 1930s/ early 40s Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
graham Posted November 10, 2012 The revese of the above. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
graham Posted November 10, 2012 Small size for Overseas cap Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
graham Posted November 10, 2012 Reverse of O/S cap insignia. Left by H+H Right snowflake [AMCRAFT] Graham Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
graham Posted November 10, 2012 The O/S cap insignia introduced in 1944 is a little larger than the collar insignia, which I have read was not used before 1959 although I have one by Vanguard with a drop in catch that looks older to me. Graham. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Justin B. Posted November 10, 2012 The O/S cap insignia introduced in 1944 is a little larger than the collar insignia, which I have read was not used before 1959 although I have one by Vanguard with a drop in catch that looks older to me. The collar anchors may have been authorized a little earlier but they don't appear in regulations changes through 1958, then they are in the uniform regs of 1959. Official dimensions were to fit in a 15/16" circle for the collar insignia, a 1-1/4" circle for the garrison cap device. Justin B. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
holdaas Posted November 15, 2012 Here's the newest acquisition, I'll have to start paying closer attention to markings from this point forward. I've always just looked for something I didn't already. This is all pretty incredible reference material, wish I'd have found this site much sooner. IN SEARCH OF: Chief Petty Officer combination cover anchors. Chief Petty Officer rating badges Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dan360 Posted November 20, 2012 This is the oldest in my collection... Always looking for Chief's anchors, old and or odd rating badges. Also looking for U.S.S General W.P. Richardson (AP-118) Photo's etc... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
holdaas Posted November 22, 2012 This is the oldest in my collection... Dan, Nice! Could we see the back? IN SEARCH OF: Chief Petty Officer combination cover anchors. Chief Petty Officer rating badges Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jmar Posted November 25, 2012 Here are some better pics of my early sew on cpo hat insgnia Graham Hello Graham, This is an awesome CPO cover device! I have got to get me one of those, thank you very much for sharing this beauty! I've attached a pic of some of my earlier examples for you to see. Best wishes, Joe Don't trick another, and don't get tricked. Don't show your weaknesses, but your spirit.Member of OMSA 7250 and ASMIC 4552 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jmar Posted November 25, 2012 This is a very enjoyable thread for me, I think there wasn't non-gilt, silver version (for the Ernie King Gray I believe) example shown. This one is marked sterling with the H&H Eagle (Hillborn & Hamburger). Thank you all for posting, you all have beautiful pieces in your collections. Best wishes, Joe Don't trick another, and don't get tricked. Don't show your weaknesses, but your spirit.Member of OMSA 7250 and ASMIC 4552 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bill Posted November 26, 2012 5 scans, 1 group & 4 separate. Only have 4 older anchors so far in my Navy section. Anyone care to take a guess when made / used? #1 1/20 10K N.S. MEYER, INC NEW YORK sb (note the star on the anchor) #2 HILBORN & HAMBURGER pb #3 HILBORN & HAMBURGER pb #4 no markings pb Please visit my sell / trade pageshttp://s224.photobuc...d237/wgravessr/ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bill Posted November 26, 2012 #1 1/20 10K N.S. MEYER, INC NEW YORK sb (note the star on the anchor) Please visit my sell / trade pageshttp://s224.photobuc...d237/wgravessr/ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bill Posted November 26, 2012 #2 HILBORN & HAMBURGER pb Please visit my sell / trade pageshttp://s224.photobuc...d237/wgravessr/ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
