manayunkman Posted November 6, 2012 Share #26 Posted November 6, 2012 Wow. I had no idea there were so many variations of this insignia. Thank you for the education. M Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KurtA Posted November 6, 2012 Share #27 Posted November 6, 2012 Here's a one piece stamped example by Vanguard. The N is slightly curved, so, I'd say 1940's era. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holdaas Posted November 9, 2012 Author Share #28 Posted November 9, 2012 Here's something interesting, they never specified that the anchor was supposed to be metal in the 1897 uniform instruction. I doubt there are any left out there but cloth anchor patches did exist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holdaas Posted November 9, 2012 Author Share #29 Posted November 9, 2012 This same picture "Circa 1900 U.S. Battleship Texas Chief Petty Officers" has the only picture of a band master Chief Petty Officer I've ever seen. SPECIAL REGULATIONS. BLUE CAP. (a) For chief petty officers, except band masters (Pl. 1, fig. 1, except device).—Dark navy-blue cloth, band of lustrous black mohair; visor of black patent leather, bound with same, green underneath; chin strap of black patent leather one-half (1/2) inch wide, fastened at the side with two small gilt navy buttons, and provided with one gilt and one leather slide. There shall be two small eyelet ventilating holes in each side of the quarters. The device shall be the letters U. S. N. in silver upon a gilt foul anchor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin B. Posted November 9, 2012 Share #30 Posted November 9, 2012 This same picture "Circa 1900 U.S. Battleship Texas Chief Petty Officers" has the only picture of a band master Chief Petty Officer I've ever seen. Cool picture, but I'm not 100% sure he's a bandmaster. He's way back, not posed with the group, and the cap with the lyre was worn by all musicians. At that time, navy bandsmen's uniform, including bandmasters, was more similar to USMC blues. Could be the bandmaster, could be a band member who "photo-bombed" the goat locker picture! At any rate, it's a fascinating photograph and thanks for posting! Justin B. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holdaas Posted November 10, 2012 Author Share #31 Posted November 10, 2012 Justin B. You’re right, but that mustache rivals any Chief I ever saw! I've never seen that cover or device, other than this picture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin B. Posted November 10, 2012 Share #32 Posted November 10, 2012 Justin B. You’re right, but that mustache rivals any Chief I ever saw! I've never seen that cover or device, other than this picture. Agreed, the 'stache is quite a statement! I haven't seen photos of that kepi-style cover, either, but here is one with the bell-crown type from the Navy History and Heritage Command site: The bandmaster, center with baton, still doesn't wear the anchor device. I think it was 1913 when "except bandmasters" was removed from the regs regarding the CPO cap. Justin B. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graham Posted November 10, 2012 Share #33 Posted November 10, 2012 Here are some better pics of my early sew on cpo hat insgnia Graham Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graham Posted November 10, 2012 Share #34 Posted November 10, 2012 Size comparison with early pin back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graham Posted November 10, 2012 Share #35 Posted November 10, 2012 My WW1 pin back by A,E and Co Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graham Posted November 10, 2012 Share #36 Posted November 10, 2012 c WW2. From left to right, Acid test , H+H. Blackinton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graham Posted November 10, 2012 Share #37 Posted November 10, 2012 L to R , Rancraft with applied chain. Gemsco, screw back, post 1947. Acid test. [Amcraft ?] this is interesting as it has the straight USN but has snowflake back often associated with the 1930s/ early 40s The revese of the above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graham Posted November 10, 2012 Share #38 Posted November 10, 2012 Small size for Overseas cap Reverse of O/S cap insignia. Left by H+H Right snowflake [AMCRAFT] Graham Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graham Posted November 10, 2012 Share #39 Posted November 10, 2012 The O/S cap insignia introduced in 1944 is a little larger than the collar insignia, which I have read was not used before 1959 although I have one by Vanguard with a drop in catch that looks older to me. Graham. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin B. Posted November 10, 2012 Share #40 Posted November 10, 2012 The O/S cap insignia introduced in 1944 is a little larger than the collar insignia, which I have read was not used before 1959 although I have one by Vanguard with a drop in catch that looks older to me. The collar anchors may have been authorized a little earlier but they don't appear in regulations changes through 1958, then they are in the uniform regs of 1959. Official dimensions were to fit in a 15/16" circle for the collar insignia, a 1-1/4" circle for the garrison cap device. Justin B. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holdaas Posted November 15, 2012 Author Share #41 Posted November 15, 2012 Here's the newest acquisition, I'll have to start paying closer attention to markings from this point forward. I've always just looked for something I didn't already. This is all pretty incredible reference material, wish I'd have found this site much sooner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan360 Posted November 20, 2012 Share #42 Posted November 20, 2012 This is the oldest in my collection... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holdaas Posted November 22, 2012 Author Share #43 Posted November 22, 2012 This is the oldest in my collection... Dan, Nice! Could we see the back? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmar Posted November 25, 2012 Share #44 Posted November 25, 2012 Here are some better pics of my early sew on cpo hat insgnia Graham Hello Graham, This is an awesome CPO cover device! I have got to get me one of those, thank you very much for sharing this beauty! I've attached a pic of some of my earlier examples for you to see. Best wishes, Joe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmar Posted November 25, 2012 Share #45 Posted November 25, 2012 This is a very enjoyable thread for me, I think there wasn't non-gilt, silver version (for the Ernie King Gray I believe) example shown. This one is marked sterling with the H&H Eagle (Hillborn & Hamburger). Thank you all for posting, you all have beautiful pieces in your collections. Best wishes, Joe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Posted November 26, 2012 Share #46 Posted November 26, 2012 5 scans, 1 group & 4 separate. Only have 4 older anchors so far in my Navy section. Anyone care to take a guess when made / used? #1 1/20 10K N.S. MEYER, INC NEW YORK sb (note the star on the anchor) #2 HILBORN & HAMBURGER pb #3 HILBORN & HAMBURGER pb #4 no markings pb #1 1/20 10K N.S. MEYER, INC NEW YORK sb (note the star on the anchor) #2 HILBORN & HAMBURGER pb #3 HILBORN & HAMBURGER pb #4 no markings pb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan360 Posted November 26, 2012 Share #47 Posted November 26, 2012 Here is the backside... Another older one... Sterling... Not sure on this one. It's got some corrosion on it. Last of the older ones in my collection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tbear49 Posted November 30, 2012 Share #48 Posted November 30, 2012 Just started collecting. Here is my first aquisition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wharfmaster Posted November 30, 2012 Share #49 Posted November 30, 2012 Who decided to change the badge from line to chain? Thanks. Regards, The Wharfmaster In Peace and War. US Merchant Marine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holdaas Posted November 30, 2012 Author Share #50 Posted November 30, 2012 Who decided to change the badge from line to chain? Thanks. Regards, The Wharfmaster In Peace and War. US Merchant Marine. Wharfmaster, The only reference I've seen is on the San Diego Navy Historical Association website. - The device again changed in 1941, it is not listed in the uniform regulations but in the uniform specifications. The device changed from the twisted wire to chain. This is yet unsubstantiated as we have not been able to find a copy of the uniform specifications. The information comes from collectors who have collected and sold the devices for more than 30 years. http://www.quarterde.../HatDevices.htm R/ Ben Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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