Dakota Posted October 21, 2012 Share #1 Posted October 21, 2012 I've heard this story SO MANY times from my Uncle since he found out I was interested in military item collecting. When my Uncle was in the service, he bought a M1 Carbine from a South Vietnamese Soldier(Of Course everyone knows they were useing Military Surplus) and had cut off the stock and made it inside a pistol on his leg. Have any of you seen or heard of Soldiers doing this? They might've modified weapons in many different ways like they did in WWII etc.. But this certain story? Dakota Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawkdriver Posted October 21, 2012 Share #2 Posted October 21, 2012 I've heard of it, but have never seen an example of it. It wouldn't be very hard to do, use a paratrooper stock and take the wire folding stock off. Then cut the barrel off just in front of the charging system. I don't give this a lot of credence as it would be a very ineffective system for very little gained. By cutting the barrel off, you loose the front sight and now have a very clunky pistol with no sights and to what gain? A full auto pistol that cant be aimed very well. Did someone do this? Very possible, but it probably wasn't sanctioned or done widespread, more of an experimental whim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1SG_1st_Cav Posted October 21, 2012 Share #3 Posted October 21, 2012 I saw "Modified" weapons in Vietnam carried by a few SF, and Recon Team members. A cut-down full-auto carbine fired a close range would be a good weapon up-close and personal to help break contact. This would fall into the category of a "Spray and Pray" type weapon. Obviously, it would not be worth a damn if you were trying to hit a target 20-30 feet or greater away. Danny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_B Posted October 21, 2012 Share #4 Posted October 21, 2012 There was a pistol made called the "Enforcer" carbine pistol, as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carter Posted October 21, 2012 Share #5 Posted October 21, 2012 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doyler Posted October 21, 2012 Share #6 Posted October 21, 2012 I was thinking the same as Carter.Those Enforcer carbines were in all the gun magazines back in the 70s.I still will see them once in a great while at a gunshow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dakota Posted October 21, 2012 Author Share #7 Posted October 21, 2012 I was thinking the same as Carter.Those Enforcer carbines were in all the gun magazines back in the 70s.I still will see them once in a great while at a gunshow. I saw "Modified" weapons in Vietnam carried by a few SF, and Recon Team members. A cut-down full-auto carbine fired a close range would be a good weapon up-close and personal to help break contact. This would fall into the category of a "Spray and Pray" type weapon. Obviously, it would not be worth a damn if you were trying to hit a target 20-30 feet or greater away. Danny There was a pistol made called the "Enforcer" carbine pistol, as well I've heard of it, but have never seen an example of it. It wouldn't be very hard to do, use a paratrooper stock and take the wire folding stock off. Then cut the barrel off just in front of the charging system. I don't give this a lot of credence as it would be a very ineffective system for very little gained. By cutting the barrel off, you loose the front sight and now have a very clunky pistol with no sights and to what gain? A full auto pistol that cant be aimed very well. Did someone do this? Very possible, but it probably wasn't sanctioned or done widespread, more of an experimental whim. My Uncle said it was the Wooden Stock, for Infantry etc.. Not the Airborne. He might've made it the one that is shown in the picture that Carter showed. Dakota Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawkdriver Posted October 21, 2012 Share #8 Posted October 21, 2012 The one in the picture is a civilian made thing, so most likely not what the Vietnamese was carrying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J_Andrews Posted October 22, 2012 Share #9 Posted October 22, 2012 I saw several so-called "pirate pistol" sawed-off carbines in VN, 1970-71. They were never primary weapons or intended for aimed fire. They were (as already said) "spray and pray", last-ditch "Personal Defense Weapons". LRRPs had some. rigged with snap-links to hang from their LBE and/or pack. I saw one with a Navy SEAL, as back-up for his Stoner and pistol. Another hung in a jeep, for emergency use, as if a fire extinguisher -- as said, to break an ambush while running for daylight. Another carried by a Huey (IIRC a 5th SFGA bird) crew chief, attached to his chicken-plate flak vest, for survival-once-shot-down use, supplementing his .45 in shoulder holster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKIPH Posted October 22, 2012 Share #10 Posted October 22, 2012 I've got a book called "Paratrooper" , by Kelly and Wood, from Stackpole Books, 1967. It shows a US advisor w/ what appears to be an M1A1 stock, minus shoulder stock w/ about a 3" barrel with site. Haven't got the ability to reproduce, but this is before those Universal Enforcers, which are similar. SKIP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hink441 Posted October 22, 2012 Share #11 Posted October 22, 2012 Look at this thread and go to post #12. Great picture of a cut-down M-1/2 carbine. http://www.usmilitar...rsonal-weapons/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uplandmod Posted October 22, 2012 Share #12 Posted October 22, 2012 Wow! What a picture! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bellumbill Posted October 22, 2012 Share #13 Posted October 22, 2012 Great photos and comments - Especially nice to hear from people who were there! Editorial comment, I am not sure that what I see here would or could be classified as a pistol? Even cut down much too long?? Best to all! Bill K. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dalbert Posted October 23, 2012 Share #14 Posted October 23, 2012 Great photos and comments - Especially nice to hear from people who were there! Editorial comment, I am not sure that what I see here would or could be classified as a pistol? Even cut down much too long?? Best to all! Bill K. Bill, An M1 Carbine in the U.S. that is cut down from its original configuration, like this one, is an NFA item classified as a Short Barreled Rifle, and all NFA rules apply. The Enforcer pistol, on the other hand, was manufactured as a pistol, and is classified as such. David Albert [email protected] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronnie Posted October 23, 2012 Share #15 Posted October 23, 2012 Wasn't Patty Hearst photographed holding one of these in that bank robbery she was involved with back in the 70's? Darby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awheeler Posted October 23, 2012 Share #16 Posted October 23, 2012 I Know for a fact MACV-SOG Before they were permitted to use current issue American weapons over the fence used M2 carbines like seen in that wonderful picture. they cut down the stocks to the grip and the barrels to the stock nub. These were usually hung around the neck from a cord. They were horrible, the puny half load .30 cal ammo already had little to no jungle penetration. a tiny barrel only made things worse. After a few missions, recon men ditched such "sex appeal" weapons in favor for AKs or CAR-15s. To wrap things up, they did exist and were used. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Linedoggie Posted October 23, 2012 Share #17 Posted October 23, 2012 Seen a Picture of a WWII G.I carrying a cut down Carbine in the ETO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry G. Posted October 26, 2012 Share #18 Posted October 26, 2012 I bought one of those "Enforcers" back in 1968 with two 30 round mags and some surplus ammo for $130. Got it at Gabby Hartnet's in Lincolnwood,IL which is long gone. Sold it a few years ago with the mags . It wasn't the most accurate weapon I've owned by a long shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SFMike Posted November 2, 2012 Share #19 Posted November 2, 2012 I cut one up for the hell of it. Carbines were very common. My 1st issue was a new M2. I used and discarded it for all the reasons posted. After a while one learns about weight and necessities. We usually were out for a week at a time and became very aware of that. Quite often water was the biggest issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
11thcavsniper Posted November 2, 2012 Share #20 Posted November 2, 2012 I traded an ARVN a m-16 for a cut down M2. It was cut like the one in hink441 post except it didn't have the finger grooves and had a hand grip in front of the magazine. I thought it would be a great little carry gun but after shooting is some, I had the same feelings about it as stated in Awheelers post. Traded it off to a GI for a .45 that I always carried.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrishoon Posted November 25, 2012 Share #21 Posted November 25, 2012 my uncle did this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patches Posted November 25, 2012 Share #22 Posted November 25, 2012 Seen a Picture of a WWII G.I carrying a cut down Carbine in the ETO. That's right Linedoggie, it was somewhat of a fashion in WWII, with, though I'm sure not confined to, Tank and Tank Destroyer Self Propelled Crewman in particular. In Tom Laemlein's America Firepower Series on the M1 Carbine, we see one of these cut down carbines in use. It was in keeping with some AFV crewmans habit of removing the Butt Stock on Tommy Guns. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
w10085 Posted December 15, 2012 Share #23 Posted December 15, 2012 Here is a picture of my cousin-in-law in VN with one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mack-the-Finger Posted December 18, 2012 Share #24 Posted December 18, 2012 Weren't those a quite widespread resource employed by Tunnel Rats? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RONINPA Posted December 29, 2012 Share #25 Posted December 29, 2012 friend DEALER had an ENFORCER Pistol,,REGISTERED Class 3 ,, uncontrollable to fire,! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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