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This came in a box of items from an estate sale: I assume it is an M1 carbine cleaning kit?

 

It has an RIA stamp inside the flap, but in looking around the forum and Google I cannot find any reference to an RIA M1 cleaning kit. The look of the canvas seems early war. Any ideas?

 

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Looks early war to me, is the belt hook brass?

 

Most of the cleaning rod cases I am familiar with have the drawing number ink stamped on the back, and I don't recall seeing an RIA made one before.

 

I guess the handle is without markings?


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Sure I have seen something similar - is it from the M1903 Springfield perhaps?

Can dig out the reference books tomorrow if nobody else can find the answer - the hour is a little late or I would look now !

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I don't think the M1903 springfield kits ever included the shorter rod section pictured with the brush.

 

The earlier WWI era rod cases were made by RIA, but I have never seen a WWII era one from them.


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*Sherlock Holmes in "A Scandal in Bohemia"*

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I don't think the M1903 springfield kits ever included the shorter rod section pictured with the brush.

 

The earlier WWI era rod cases were made by RIA, but I have never seen a WWII era one from them.

 

This came in a large ammo box with other cleaning parts including this rod set - could it have gone with the pouch?

 

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This came in a large ammo box with other cleaning parts including this rod set - could it have gone with the pouch?

 

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Maybe, I think the tip of at least one of the sections is removable (I can see the joint on the lower rod), so that would be three sections. I'll have to check if they were supposed to have 3 or 4 sections, I think 3 total including the handle.

 

Is the rod diameter the same or very close to the other rod set? I can't tell if it's a .30 or .50 rod set, if .50 it should be noticeably larger in diameter than the other rod.

 

I think the case was the same for the .30 & .50 rods, it was kind of a universal pouch; though late in the war I think they had a dedicated carbine pouch vs. the rifle sets.


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It looks like you have the earlier WWII case, at some point during WWII they altered the case and it went from C6573 to C6573A. The only two things that I can think of are the pockets on the front (I know the changed it from two pockets to one) and the edging, I think the change was really in the reduction of pockets though.


"It is a capital mistake to theorize before one has data. Insensibly one begins to twist facts to suit theories, instead of theories to suit facts."

*Sherlock Holmes in "A Scandal in Bohemia"*

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I believe the last rod you posted is an M3, is there anything (like numbers) cast into the other side of the handle?


"It is a capital mistake to theorize before one has data. Insensibly one begins to twist facts to suit theories, instead of theories to suit facts."

*Sherlock Holmes in "A Scandal in Bohemia"*

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Here is one I have in my collection -

 

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As I understand, this example is WWII era and is an early style Type B cleaning kit for the M1 carbine. Not sure if the kit contains all the correct parts or not. If anyone can shed light on this question the answer would be much appreciated.

 

Tim


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