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Odd M3 Shoulder Holster

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This holster came to me from the estate of a P38 pilot but I don't collect holsters though and was going to part with it. Actually went so far as to list it. Then I had second thoughts becuase it just seems a little different. Most M3s I've seen have a belt loop at the bottom but this one has a leather tie instead. I can't see where a belt loop would have been attached so I'm wondering if this is something other than a standard M3. Any information is appreciated. Thanks!

 

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I think your holster had the loop at one time, or rather was intended to have one. You see the the round impression on the bottom left? That was for the snap, so it appears the snap was fitted at one time.

 

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Thanks RC. I see that round bit and it sure looks like the hole for the tie was added outside a factoryso maybe a field modification after the belt loop broke? But where would the belt loop have attached on the back? Can't see any place that looks damaged...

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Hello thebearpack. I think that remnants of the missing belt loop might be found in between the front and back fold over seam of the holster near the snap. That is the way mine is constructed anyway, not to the back exterior of the holster. Thanks, Al.


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Mods--Is it me or is my avatar distorted? It's supposed to be round. Thanks, Al.


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Hello thebearpack. I think that remnants of the missing belt loop might be found in between the front and back fold over seam of the holster near the snap. That is the way mine is constructed anyway, not to the back exterior of the holster. Thanks, Al.

 

Aha, that would make sense. I was thinking it would've been stictched on the back somehow. Thanks Al. I'll check a little closer in the AM. Looks like it's not rare... just my luck!

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I think between Al's answer and mine that you probably have a modified M3 holster.


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Mods--Is it me or is my avatar distorted? It's supposed to be round. Thanks, Al.

 

I believe they are probably aware of it by now, some other members have also noticed the same distortion of images.

 

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It is a standard M3. The male snap was popped off by the build up of verdigris, a common problem with these holsters.

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Hello!

I totally agree with Annihilator... I had three brand new M7 holsters, left in a drawer for many years and all had the belt snap popped off...

Here, for reference, a M3 Enger Kress holster with the belt strap and snap in the right place...

Fausto

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It does happen from time to time, I have seen it happen to original M1910 canteen covers in minty condition.


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Now that Fausto posted his picture, it's easy to se where the loop would've attached and why there's no sign on the back. Oh well, so much for it being a super rare prototype! Thanks for the replies gentlmen.

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Oftimes the belt loop strap was removed (without having failed first) because not everybody wanted it attached to their trousers waistbelt -- or HAD a trouser waistbelt -- and it wasn't wide enough to go around a pistol belt. An aviator would be one of those with no readily accessible waistbelt, so he would try an alternative.

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Oftimes the belt loop strap was removed (without having failed first) because not everybody wanted it attached to their trousers waistbelt -- or HAD a trouser waistbelt -- and it wasn't wide enough to go around a pistol belt. An aviator would be one of those with no readily accessible waistbelt, so he would try an alternative.

 

 

I've seen a few original photos of tall guys wearing the M3, the holster fit them so high up it would have been very uncomfortable to actually attach the loop to the belt.


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Always thought it very strange that such a classic looking holster as the M3 was made with the basic design flaw that J_Andrews mentioned: the belt loop was too short to allow the holster to be used with the M1936 pistol belt

 

Much prefer the M3 holster & the variations of it to the later M7 - though the latter WAS an improvement

 

I also like the rigger/saddler modified M3's that have had the straps re-worked to allow them to be worn cross-draw style on the pistol belt

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I saw a photo once of a PBY crewman wearing an un-modified M3 around his waist.

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I saw a photo once of a PBY crewman wearing an un-modified M3 around his waist.

 

I may have seen that photo, was he standing outside either on the fuselage or in a raft?

 

Unless I am thinking of an entirely different photo, it was in color.


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I may have seen that photo, was he standing outside either on the fuselage or in a raft?

 

Unless I am thinking of an entirely different photo, it was in color.

 

The photo I saw was in monochrome (aka black and white). I think he was at the port-side waist blister leaning inside.

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The photo I saw was in monochrome (aka black and white). I think he was at the port-side waist blister leaning inside.

 

Must have been mistaken then.

 

I guess if it fit then it wasn't a bad idea.


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*Sherlock Holmes in "A Scandal in Bohemia"*

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Hi all!

I couldn't resist to share this fantastic picture from Life, reportedly taken in Italy at the end of the War, April 1945. Look at the correct fit of the M3 holster on the trouser belt and look, please, at that 1911A1 with plexiglas panel grip...

Oh, I forgot to say that the belt strap snap on the holster which started this topic is broken... so the strap was probably removed as no more usable and the thong added on...

Fausto

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Nice plexiglas grip - esp. like the "sweetheart" photo inside the grip panel

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I couldn't resist to share this fantastic picture from Life, reportedly taken in Italy at the end of the War, April 1945. Look at the correct fit of the M3 holster on the trouser belt and look, please, at that 1911A1 with plexiglas panel grip...

 

 

It's a Colt too... wonder where the old girl is now. The gun, not the sweetheart!

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