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I saw this at an insignia show today in Northern California and it looked real to me but when I asked the seller if this was an original war time piece he told me that he had this and others made in Vietnam recently. I'm not familiar with this patch but what is scary is the way the back is made which looks just like the original war time pieces. He told me that they still use the older Schiffli sewning machines in Vietnam and orders whatever he wants to have reproduced. FYI

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They've been doing this for a long long time. Most of the 'old stock' patches people have bought in Nam over the years were done by the same old ladies, on the same machines, with the same material- but for collectors and not soldiers.

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I agree that these are getting scary good. Unless you spend a lot of time handling good period insignia these will fool you. It is getting to the point where you won't buy viet era insignia unless it can be attributed or unless purchased from reputable dealers only. but this is good advice for just about all militaria any more.

 

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Anybody got an authentic one to show?

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It can be honestly sold / described as a "Genuine Vietnamese-made patch"....except that it was made in 2009 as opposed to 1969!! Alleged "theatre-made" VN war patches have become a collectors' minefield...which is why I don't collect them. I leave that to smarter folks than I! :o

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Some not-so-scary repros like thos one can fetch $300:

 

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http://www.ebay.com/itm/Patch-Vv758-RT-ILLINOIS-CCC-Vietnam-War-Special-Forces-Recon-Kontum-/360525981934?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item53f105e8ee&nma=true&si=o8QLRZ%2FtJ%2Bw8z75kFkip%2FicqUyE%3D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

 

If there is a market for these horrors, the fakers obviously do not need to put too much effort in their creations.

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Everybody knows that they are still making items today in Vietnam, so just be careful.

 

A lot of the modern made reproductions have errors that betray them.

 

Typically they are made with either synthetic materialsor thread, or both. (Yes, there were period made patches that were made with synthetics, but natural materials such as cotton, silk and even wool were more common.)

 

Reproduced designs often use the wrong colors, are mishaped, or have design errors.

 

And for some reason, many patch mills in Vietnam insist on artificially aging the patches they sell. They will be dirty or stained without any sign of ever having been actually sewn on a uniform.

 

The best thing one can do is look at, touch and feel as many real period made patches as you possible can to learn what they should look like.

Gil Burket
Omaha, NE
Specializing in Fakes and Reproductions
of the Vietnam War

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"One is easily fooled by that which one loves."

 

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