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I got this at a military show from a prominent patrch collector for free. He said it was a pre-WWII ROTC star meant to be worn on the sleeve. He said they had different colors for athletics, acdemics, ETC. Can anyone please help me shed some light on this mystery patch?

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Andrew

 

PS: It's pretty small

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Hi Andrew,

 

very good topic! I also have some of these little disks and never new exactly what they were made for. ROTC is a good hint! So maybe somebodey knows what the two small disks in the upper row are made for?

 

Andrew, I'm hooked on this ROTC stuff. Maybe you are willing to trade?

 

Lars

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Hi Andrew,

 

very good topic! I also have some of these little disks and never new exactly what they were made for. ROTC is a good hint! So maybe somebodey knows what the two small disks in the upper row are made for?

 

Andrew, I'm hooked on this ROTC stuff. Maybe you are willing to trade?

 

Lars

Hmm...send me your trade list. Thanks for the info! By the make of my patch it appears post WWII, but what do I know?

Thanks again,

Andrew

 

I'd love to know more about these odd things.

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It seems to me that I recall seeing gold bullion stars too -- meaning the wearer was an honor studen/on Dean's List -- certainly this was true of stars on USMA cadet collars.

 

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The only reference I can find to the wearing of a star in ROTC was in a 1920s or 30s copy of the Corps regulations for Purdue University. The only star referred to is a gold star. Below is the citation from the manual and a diagram of the wear.

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Yes, that really would make sence! I have some of the ROTC shields with similar colors. Looks that this could be "sets". Would be great to see your ROTC variants here!

 

Lars

 

P.S. Erik, I like your red star disk too!!! :rolleyes:

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Yes, that really would make sence! I have some of the ROTC shields with similar colors. Looks that this could be "sets". Would be great to see your ROTC variants here!

 

Lars

 

P.S. Erik, I like your red star disk too!!! :rolleyes:

 

 

Lars,

 

I don't collect these ROTC shields, but here are a few that I have found in patch collections. It seems like every time one is found, it's a completely different variant.

 

The blue on OD wool is hand embroidered. The yellow is quite a bit larger than normal size and blue on blue has gold highlighting thread like yours on OD.

 

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...a pre-WWII ROTC star meant to be worn on the sleeve. He said they had different colors for athletics, acdemics, ETC. Can anyone please help me shed some light on this mystery patch?

Here is another explanation of the star:

 

 

AR 600-35 Prescribed Service Uniform, 31 March 1944.

 

Paragraph 29. Insignia to denote excellence, Army Specialized Training Program (see fig. 20-2). -- On an olive-drab disk, a blue star 1 inch in diameter.

 

AR 600-40 Wearing of Service Uniform, 31 March 1944.

 

Paragraph 63. Insignia to denote excellence, Army Specialized Training Program. -- Enlisted men who have been designated for scholastic excellence as trainees in the Army Specialized Training Program will wear the insignia to denote excellence, only during the term following that in which it was earned. If not redesignated as excellent, the insignia will be removed from the uniform. The insignia will be worn centered on the outside of the left sleeve of the service coat, with the lowest point 4 inches above the lower edge.

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Here is another explanation of the star:

AR 600-35 Prescribed Service Uniform, 31 March 1944.

 

Paragraph 29. Insignia to denote excellence, Army Specialized Training Program (see fig. 20-2). -- On an olive-drab disk, a blue star 1 inch in diameter.

 

AR 600-40 Wearing of Service Uniform, 31 March 1944.

 

Paragraph 63. Insignia to denote excellence, Army Specialized Training Program. -- Enlisted men who have been designated for scholastic excellence as trainees in the Army Specialized Training Program will wear the insignia to denote excellence, only during the term following that in which it was earned. If not redesignated as excellent, the insignia will be removed from the uniform. The insignia will be worn centered on the outside of the left sleeve of the service coat, with the lowest point 4 inches above the lower edge.

 

 

So if I understood it right, these stars were used by ROTC personell and ASTP personell? Or is a ROTC Cadet simultanesly a ASTP participant?

 

Lars

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Lars,

 

I don't collect these ROTC shields, but here are a few that I have found in patch collections. It seems like every time one is found, it's a completely different variant.

 

The blue on OD wool is hand embroidered. The yellow is quite a bit larger than normal size and blue on blue has gold highlighting thread like yours on OD.

 

Gary

 

Gary

 

great examples! Maybe "I don't collect these ROTC shields" means you would trade some of them? w00t.gif

Did you ask me for the UNRRA tab once?

 

Lars

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I have seen these on ROTC uniforms from pre-WW2 but am not sure of the meaning.

 

Here are some photos of an Ohio State University coat that I think is from the later 1930s. Just dug it out of my storage closet to get ready to put it on eBay. It appears to be black or extremely dark blue, very little in the way of insignia other than the OSU SSI and the star and ROTC sleeve insignia. It has Ohio State buttons. Anyone know for sure if this is of the late 1930s as I suspect. The name tag seems to read Edgar Thornley or Thornly (not clear).

 

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...is a ROTC Cadet simultanesly a ASTP participant?

No, ASTP was a short-lived scheme for acquiring large numbers of technically educated officers by enrolling high-aptitude enlisted men in civilian colleges and universities. The idea was to push these students through accelerated 2- and 4-year programs in the sciences, mathematics, engineering, languages, etc., leading eventually to commissioning and service in these fields. Something like 200,000 ASTP students were enrolled in less than a year after the program was launched. A manpower crisis in Army Ground Forces in 1943 forced a massive curtailment in ASTP. All but about 30,000 of these soldier-scholars were abruptly terminated from the program early in 1944 to be sent to combat divisions, most as infantry riflemen (link here.)

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Then out spake brave Horatius, the Captain of the Gate:


"To every man upon this earth death cometh soon or late.
And how can man die better than facing fearful odds,


For the ashes of his fathers, and the temples of his gods."

 

 

 

 

 

 


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As Wailuna stated, ASTP was a program to provide a technical college degree to enlisted soldiers. Particpants attended most major universities, but were actually on active duty and lived in barracks on campus. They wore uniforms 24/7; and marched to classes as units. In other words, their soldier job was to attend college. The ASTP program was created by the fears (gained by France and Britain's losses of college grads in WWI) that an entire generation of college grads might be lost in WWII. As WWII continued (and US casualties soared), most ASTP participants were pulled from campuses and thrust into line combat units. My father was one such unlucky soul. In 1943 (after 2 years of ASTP at Texas A&M); my dad was pulled from A&M and dropped into the stark tar-paper shack world of the 103d Infantry Division of Camp Howze, TX. He once reflected that the old Army corporals truly hated the "college boys"; and their treatment of the ASTP troops verged on sadism.

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Thank you all for these background informations! thumbsup.gif

 

Very nice ROTC uniform with a patch I have never seen before. So did I get it right, the small stars are a kind of "excellence in..." insignia? Obviously they are worn on the same sleeve, like mentioned in the manual before and on the different sleeve than the ROTC shield.

 

Thanks for learning so much here!

 

Lars

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Gary

 

great examples! Maybe "I don't collect these ROTC shields" means you would trade some of them? w00t.gif

Did you ask me for the UNRRA tab once?

 

Lars

 

Hello Lars,

 

PM sent.

 

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I have my father's ROTC military school Ike jacket from the early 1950s and it has a white star on the lower right sleeve. He told me it was some sort of award, but I don't remember the details.

 

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Hi Andrew,

 

very good topic! I also have some of these little disks and never new exactly what they were made for. ROTC is a good hint! So maybe somebodey knows what the two small disks in the upper row are made for?

 

Andrew, I'm hooked on this ROTC stuff. Maybe you are willing to trade?

 

Lars

The one at upper left (red on OD circle with arrow), is Canadian Army from the 50's to the mid sixties and was for "Trained Soldier". It was worn in place of any rank insignia until the soldier was promoted to Lance Corporal.

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Here is a specimen of the insignia for Academic Achievement at R.O.T.C. honor schools "for Army Units of Junior Division at Class MS Institutions" (whatever that means.) Courtesy of ASMIC "Can-You-ID" Web page.

 

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Then out spake brave Horatius, the Captain of the Gate:


"To every man upon this earth death cometh soon or late.
And how can man die better than facing fearful odds,


For the ashes of his fathers, and the temples of his gods."

 

 

 

 

 

 


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