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Klinger (Jamie Farr) always made some great references to Toledo, and we always watched to see what he'd bring into the story line.

 

There was one scene where his family shipped him some hot dogs from a restaurant named Tony Packo's. It's a real chain, very popular in the Toledo area and they make the absolute best Hungarian hot dogs and potato salad. The scene was great because even the snooty Major Winchester couldn't resist the smell of the hot dogs cooking on the tent stove.

 

There were always some light references to Klinger's Lebanese heritage. It fits, Jamie Farr is Lebanese and Toledo has always had a large Lebanese population. Next to Jamie the other world famous Toledo Lebanese export was none other than Danny Thomas.

Very interesting brianh, thank's for sharing, tell us is there a real baseball team called the Toledo Mudhens too?

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Very interesting brianh, thank's for sharing, tell us is there a real baseball team called the Toledo Mudhens too?

 

Yup! When I was a kid the Mudhens played at the Lucas County Fairgrounds in Maumee where I grew up (just south of Toledo), but were always Toledo's hometown team. For a time they were part of Detroit's farm system. Games were always cheap (box seats for $5.00) and the level of play was pretty good. Most of the players had their own strong local fan followings. It was tradition for the players to line up outside the locker room after the games to sign balls, caps and bats for the kids.

 

Later while in college I used to work security for the stadium. Fifteen cent beer nights were always rough and it took a while to flush all the drunks out of the stands. We'd usher them out to the parking lot, made sure they got into their cars and waved them a fond farewell.

 

About 15 years ago Toledo built the team a new stadium right in downtown Toledo as part of the Toledo 'revival' effort. Didn't do too much good - Toledo's still a basket case, but the stadium is nice.

 

Klinger did show up in a few episodes wearing a Mudhens jersey and frequently could be seen wearing a Mudhens ball cap (with the 'T' on it).

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Did you guys know that the actor that played Hawkeye actually served in a Korean War MASH unit?

Sorry, Alan Alda was not in the Korean War, he served post war as a Artillery Officer, he held a Reserve Commision, not that we're saying anything untowards about Mr Alda's service, we're not. Jamie Farr (Klinger) was also in Korea post war as well, a draftee. E-bay had last year or so his 1954 or 1955 Fort Ord 6th Infantry Division (Training) Basic Training Graduation Yearbook up for a Buy It Now, I would of gotten it, buuut no money :( so I cound,nt get it.

 

That brings me back to the days that former Massachusetts Governor Micheal Dukakis was running for President, the press kept saying "Korean War Veteran....Korean War Veteran....He's a Veteran of the Korean War" and I believed it, till one day a photo was in the paper one day, it showed Dukakis standing with some Quonset Huts in the background, with him in field jacket, a file folder in hand and a Ridgeway Cap, his rank, Specialist 3rd Class (those small 1955 pattern type), I said this isn't from the war, it's post war, it took awhile before the press actually stopped printing "Korean War Veteran....Korean War Veteran....He's a Veteran of the Korean War".

 

Can't find that photo of Dukakis online unfortunately.

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HOORAY, I bought myself a Chritmas Present this afternoon, at a FYI Store, MASH Seasons 1 2 and 3, I wish I could of gotten the whole show, but it's a start :D

 

It's a treat really to watch it on DVD, as you can slow mo stuff, like before I got Online and was eating my Christmas Eve dinner, I watched my first episode from season 1, I chose to watch the one where Trapper has to Box that gargantuan NCO Prize Fighter brought around by that General, I guess the Corps MED CG right. You remember, to make a deal with Henry, he boxes the General's boy and Henry will supercede Major Houlihan's order to transfer a new nurse out who Trapper and Hawkeye are in love with.

 

As you know Hawkeye and company come up with the idea of soaking one of Trapper's boxing gloves in ether with the idea to push it into the other guys face till he faints, the plan doesn't go well at first as Burns and Houlihan catch on and switch the ether with water, but Hawkeye catches on to that, and gets more ether. It works the next time out in the ring and the big NCO faints and falls backwards to where Burns and Houlihan are sitting ringside, and snapping the ropes falls right on top of the both of them, I love the way Houlihan screams AHHH.....AHHHH.....AHHHH :lol: I did that part in slow mo, funny. I look forward to checking out some of the pratfalls that we'd see in the series in slow :lol:

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Lt. Col. Henry Blake also wore a Purple Heart ribbon although it is not clear when he would have received it and I don't remember it ever being mentioned how he got it. He always wore a WWII Army Of Occupation ribbon but no WWII Victory Medal ribbon so I'm not sure if his character was supposed to have served in WWII or been drafted after the war and maybe served in Japan or Korea before the Korean War broke out. Not that the uniforms were 100% authentic anyway. The characters all wore the National Defense Service ribbon even though it wasn't created until 1954 after the war ended.

 

Of course Henry would have received a posthumous Purple Heart for being killed in action when his plane was shot down.

He got the PH when the Compound was Shelled by Both Sides in one of the first episodes, remember? It was during the Army/Navy Football Game and Shell Fragments came though his office window hitting him in the head.

 

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One day, when funds permitting...I will by the entire series box set of MASH on DVD

 

Then I am going to close the doors, blinds, turn off the phone and ENJOY!!!

 

I love this show...

Why run when you can walk...Why walk when you can stand...Why stand when you can sit...Why sit when you can lie down..Why lie down when you can sleep...

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One day, when funds permitting...I will by the entire series box set of MASH on DVD

 

Then I am going to close the doors, blinds, turn off the phone and ENJOY!!!

 

I love this show...

 

Been there...done that! Might have to do it again soon! ;)

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The local video/misic place had a sale on the MASH DVDs. I bought them up to season 5. When Frank Burns became a character you felt bad for, that's when the show started to slide for me. Harry Morgan's first season was really good, but I agree with those who feel that when Trapper John and Henry Blake left the 4077th, the show was never the same.

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I have always loved MASH and my father does too(Started coming on before and after he was born) I don't really feel like the series changed when Trapper and Henry left the 4077th. Harry Morgan gave the show that Military-Like discipline unlike Henry but he still let some things slide. Overall great show and still one of the best out there!

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I love them all, well most of the episodes that is, 98 % of them Potter/BJ/Winchester years as well. But you got to take some of episodes dialogs in stride, like the one in the first season where Hawkeye and Trapper go to a Black Market King Pin played by Jack Soo, a couple times the word Southeast Asia is mentioned as the region they're in, well of course we know Korea is not in Southeast Asia, maybe the writers of that episode had Vietnam on the brain, it being 1972 and all :lol:

 

Also anyone else ever recognize the unit plaque on the wall of the O Club thats been there forever? it has a Chopper on it for a Aviation unit, a Huey, funny I always thought the UH Iroquois series helicopters first came out Army wide in and around 1960-61 :lol:

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"Know this!!! You can cut me off from the civilized world. You can incarcerate me with two moronic cellmates. You can torture me with your thrice daily swill, BUT you cannot break the spirit of a Winchester. My voice shall be heard from this wilderness and I shall be delivered from this fetid and festering sewer!"

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don't get me wrong i love most of the episodes, but let's be honest, the whole series was filled with anacronisms. even as a kid i would irritate my folks when i would point out things that didn't belong to the time period.

You mean contemporary 1960s-1970s mores, and of course uniforms right? Yes the uniform items, namely the fatiques, oh and the hair :lol: The mores, not correct for people and it's culture, or the U.S. Army for that matter of the late 1940s early 1950s?

 

I say this as Anacronism means old or old fashion, a thing or a person that does not fit in the present. MASH as we know had a very contemporary view point, out of place in what was going on in the real era of the Korean War

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The earlier episodes did pretty well. They used a lot of the right gear, uniforms and vehicles (you could still easily find US WW2 stuff in surplus places in the 70s). They even used a lot of slang from the timeframe, which got dummed down by season 2.

As a kid, I assumed the insanity of horse trading, being ordered to do idiotic things and the like were all made up. I didn't realize how accurate parts of that show really were until I pinned the gold bars on and went into the Army myself as an adult. Every day, I'd see something that'd remind me of a MASH episode...

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Well, I did it...

 

I bought the entire MASH box set yesterday...

 

Was on special for $90 at Kmart...

 

Was the best investment I have made!

 

The chemistry between Henry Blake and Radar is just priceless!

Why run when you can walk...Why walk when you can stand...Why stand when you can sit...Why sit when you can lie down..Why lie down when you can sleep...

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The earlier episodes did pretty well. They used a lot of the right gear, uniforms and vehicles (you could still easily find US WW2 stuff in surplus places in the 70s). They even used a lot of slang from the timeframe, which got dummed down by season 2.

As a kid, I assumed the insanity of horse trading, being ordered to do idiotic things and the like were all made up. I didn't realize how accurate parts of that show really were until I pinned the gold bars on and went into the Army myself as an adult. Every day, I'd see something that'd remind me of a MASH episode...

"Spearchucker" Jones who was the black doctor was taken off the show after the first season. They did away with the character because they found out that there were no black doctors in any MASH units in Korea during the war. I was also reminded of MASH when I was in the Army.

 

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It is interesting that several American characters in MASH use the term "buggers"...

 

As in "those little buggers"...

 

I always thought that word was very much an English/Australian term...

 

Anyways, I am now up to season 7 volume 1 of my MASH box set and I can see the show is just starting to run out of a little bit of oomph...

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While watching the all the episoded of MASH, anyone ever thought of the number of Soldier's Medals the characters could have recieved?

Radar - for running into the minefield to pick up the Korean girl and carrying her out the day B.J. arrived.

Pierce, Henry, and Margaret - for removing the unexploded rifle grenade from the soldier's body.

Pierce and Trapper - for defusing the bomb in the compound, even though it was a CIA propaganda bomb.

Pierce and Father Mulcahy - for wrestling the Chinese prisoner with the grenade and putting the pin back in. (Maybe)

Father Mulcahy - for opening the POWs pin and getting them to safety during the artillery attack on the series finale. (Maybe)

Father Mulcahy - for taking the rifle away from the soldier in the mess tent who wanted santuary.

Trapper - for wrestling the pistol away from John Ritter when he was holding Frank hostage in the shower.

Klinker - for getting Charles away from being held hostage by the Lieut. who wanted to go home by taking his place.

 

They all put their selves in danger to save others while not in combat.

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While watching the all the episoded of MASH, anyone ever thought of the number of Soldier's Medals the characters could have recieved?

Radar - for running into the minefield to pick up the Korean girl and carrying her out the day B.J. arrived.

Pierce, Henry, and Margaret - for removing the unexploded rifle grenade from the soldier's body.

Pierce and Trapper - for defusing the bomb in the compound, even though it was a CIA propaganda bomb.

Pierce and Father Mulcahy - for wrestling the Chinese prisoner with the grenade and putting the pin back in. (Maybe)

Father Mulcahy - for opening the POWs pin and getting them to safety during the artillery attack on the series finale. (Maybe)

Father Mulcahy - for taking the rifle away from the soldier in the mess tent who wanted santuary.

Trapper - for wrestling the pistol away from John Ritter when he was holding Frank hostage in the shower.

Klinker - for getting Charles away from being held hostage by the Lieut. who wanted to go home by taking his place.

 

They all put their selves in danger to save others while not in combat.

Yeah those actions definetely rate a valor decoration or at the very least a Letter of Commidation, though if a decoration, maybe not a SM in all cases, but at the very least a BSM (don't think ARCOMs were as of yet really awarded on a wide enough scale during the Korean Conflict)

 

You forgot two episodes with 1st Lietenant Father Mulcahy Sapper, the episode where Father Mulcahy insists on riding as a counter weight in the other bubble strecher to a forward front line aid station, because the pilot's counterweight dummy gets trashed in a bit of tomfoolery directed at hot Lips. If it wasn't for Mulcahy's brave act the chopper might not of been able to take off at all, and speed being of the essence to bring the crtically wounded GI back for intensive care, the GI most likely would of died at the aid station. For this, Two awards I'd say would of been in order, me if I was incharge? he gets a BSM and a AM.

 

And another one where he goes to pick up a badly wounded GI at a forward aid station with O,Reillly, along the way back in the jeep, the GI develops life threating compications (can,t breath), while under some Arty or mortar fire he performs under the doctors instructions via radio, a tracheotomty and saves the man's life, me if I was incharge? he gets another BSM :D

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