hirsca Posted July 19, 2012 Share #1 Posted July 19, 2012 Estate sale find today. Still has remnants of the OD paint, but rode hard and put up wet. Did these shovels have a maker's mark like the folding ones? Thanks, Al Hirschler in Dallas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laurent M. Posted July 19, 2012 Share #2 Posted July 19, 2012 Yes they do sometimes as well as a date, I have some marked AMES and date 1943 in my collection. Nice find , Laurent M. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hirsca Posted July 19, 2012 Author Share #3 Posted July 19, 2012 Yes they do sometimes as well as a date, I have some marked AMES and date 1943 in my collection.Nice find , Laurent M. Thanks Laurent M. The blade has lots of rust. Where on it should I look for the mark? Thanks, Al. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RustyCanteen Posted July 19, 2012 Share #4 Posted July 19, 2012 Usually on the metal where is says US. Most don't have any maker's marks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Third Herd Posted July 19, 2012 Share #5 Posted July 19, 2012 They must have had warehouses full of shovels left over from WWI for reissue during WWII. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shenkursk Posted July 19, 2012 Share #6 Posted July 19, 2012 They must have had warehouses full of shovels left over from WWI for reissue during WWII. Correct. I sometimes see dates on WWII shovels, but have yet to see one on a WWI shovel. There are some subtle construction differences, though, so you don't need a date to properly classify one. WWI shovels had wood wedges filling a gap on either side of the junction between helve and blade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uplandmod Posted July 19, 2012 Share #7 Posted July 19, 2012 C'mon AGM.....Show us the picture from the last Vintage Show...... Leonardo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hirsca Posted July 20, 2012 Author Share #8 Posted July 20, 2012 Correct. I sometimes see dates on WWII shovels, but have yet to see one on a WWI shovel. There are some subtle construction differences, though, so you don't need a date to properly classify one. WWI shovels had wood wedges filling a gap on either side of the junction between helve and blade. Thanks for all of the info guys. Here are pics of each side of the junction from the one I got today. WW1? Thanks again for all of the comments. Al. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RustyCanteen Posted July 20, 2012 Share #9 Posted July 20, 2012 Correct. I sometimes see dates on WWII shovels, but have yet to see one on a WWI shovel. There are some subtle construction differences, though, so you don't need a date to properly classify one. WWI shovels had wood wedges filling a gap on either side of the junction between helve and blade. Right, and I don't think I have ever seen any dates besides 1942 & 1943. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shenkursk Posted July 20, 2012 Share #10 Posted July 20, 2012 C'mon AGM.....Show us the picture from the last Vintage Show...... Leonardo Dropped my iPhone in the parking lot after packing up on Saturday and smashed it up thoroughly.. still need to hook it up to the computer and see if I can salvage the images - pretty sure I got a shot of the small sample of T-handles that we brought along. JS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
earlymb Posted July 21, 2012 Share #11 Posted July 21, 2012 There were, in short, 2 production runs of these M1910 shovels. Most are WW1 production, and these are only marked with 'US' on the tang and usually the handle. Some have a 'flaming bomb' stamped at one of the head sides of the T-piece. These were still standard issue at the beginning of WW2. It seems they run out of the WW1 stock, and so in 1942 & 1943 a new production run was done. These are usually maker marked & dated on the tang. On the WW1 made ones there are some small differences in construction. There are also a few models that are either very early production known for their flimsey construction, and T-handle shovels made from surplus parts for the civilian market. Greetz David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uplandmod Posted July 21, 2012 Share #12 Posted July 21, 2012 It was Epic, JS! Sorry to hear about your phone! LF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hirsca Posted July 21, 2012 Author Share #13 Posted July 21, 2012 Correct. I sometimes see dates on WWII shovels, but have yet to see one on a WWI shovel. There are some subtle construction differences, though, so you don't need a date to properly classify one. WWI shovels had wood wedges filling a gap on either side of the junction between helve and blade. Can anyone post a pic of the wood wedges? Thanks, Al. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teufelhund Posted July 21, 2012 Share #14 Posted July 21, 2012 A huge amount( 40.000 ) of these 1910 Showels appeared recently on the european market during the recent months. Apparently, ex Yougolavian over stock, but sold by Polish people on the several various european militaria "trade" shows. As well as the Thompson 50 rounds drum magazines and other MG 42 parts,and other german items. No canvas cover included , but they are ok Found some AMES 1943 on the tang , and WWI flaming bombs on the head side. Price??? You take only one ...30 € ea You take 5 of them ...25 € ea You take 10 of them 20 € ea 1 € is about 1.30 USD Dont acte Francis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
earlymb Posted July 21, 2012 Share #15 Posted July 21, 2012 I think that batch has been on the market for over a year now, but for the couple I bought I indeed paid around 25 euro each. Fortunately I bought a few loose covers a few years ago! Greetz David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'Flage Guy Posted July 23, 2012 Share #16 Posted July 23, 2012 Rusty, Jeff and Earlymb have nailed it; as far as I know, there were no manufacturers' stamps until Ames, Woods and the others began their early-War production runs. I came across a new-condition M1910 years ago which is painted a forest green shade (seen on a good deal of Marine Corps-issued Helmets and other hardware) instead of the standard rough O.D., and has the Ordnance Bomb stamped into the T-grip; also of note is that the wood shafts used on this Shovel are noticeably thicker than what is usually seen on these. Don't have any good pics of it, but they will be forthcoming... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hirsca Posted July 23, 2012 Author Share #17 Posted July 23, 2012 Rusty, Jeff and Earlymb have nailed it; as far as I know, there were no manufacturers' stamps until Ames, Woods and the others began their early-War production runs. I came across a new-condition M1910 years ago which is painted a forest green shade (seen on a good deal of Marine Corps-issued Helmets and other hardware) instead of the standard rough O.D., and has the Ordnance Bomb stamped into the T-grip; also of note is that the wood shafts used on this Shovel are noticeably thicker than what is usually seen on these. Don't have any good pics of it, but they will be forthcoming... Thanks Flage Guy. Could you please include pics of the wedges and the ordnance bomb stamp? Thanks, Al. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
earlymb Posted July 23, 2012 Share #18 Posted July 23, 2012 Here are some pics of one of my shovels. The 'flaming bomb' mark is rare but not impossible to find. Like many WW1 shovels this one has been painted some sort of grey/brownish color that covers the wedges. Greetz David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hirsca Posted July 23, 2012 Author Share #19 Posted July 23, 2012 Here are some pics of one of my shovels. The 'flaming bomb' mark is rare but not impossible to find. Like many WW1 shovels this one has been painted some sort of grey/brownish color that covers the wedges. Greetz David Very good info. Thanks much earlymb. Al. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'Flage Guy Posted July 27, 2012 Share #20 Posted July 27, 2012 Thanks Flage Guy. Could you please include pics of the wedges and the ordnance bomb stamp? Thanks, Al. As per your request, here is the "Ordnance" M1910 Shovel (lower), shown alongside a "normal" M1910... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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hirsca Posted July 28, 2012 Author Share #25 Posted July 28, 2012 Thanks Flage Guy. Great pics shoeing the difference with and without Wedges. Thanks again, Al. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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