jim_mi Posted April 21, 2012 #26 Posted April 21, 2012 Nice chronology, and very informative. Thanks Jim
52m37 Posted April 21, 2012 #27 Posted April 21, 2012 This is a nice thread and a very nice selection of F-S knives. Thanks! I am not sure what you mean when you say they were to ornate for the job at hand. The knives you show with 'engraving' are Wilkinson made F-S knives and that was their makers mark. Several companies produced these knives during WWII and after. The WWII Wilkinson blades were certainly used in combat during the war. Roy Shadbolt has an excellent site on these knives and he is documenting engraved blades. Here is the link to his site; http://wilkinsonfscollection.com/wilkinson...n.com/Home.html
gunbarrel Posted April 21, 2012 #28 Posted April 21, 2012 This is a nice thread and a very nice selection of F-S knives. Thanks! Roy Shadbolt has an excellent site on these knives and he is documenting engraved blades. Here is the link to his site; http://wilkinsonfscollection.com/wilkinson...n.com/Home.html Agree! :thumbsup: Thanks, JS! I will have to take pictures of some of the ones in my collection and add them to your post, as you asked.
Got da Penny Posted April 21, 2012 #29 Posted April 21, 2012 Thank You for this thread. Still looking to own my first one. I see that you missed the "Rings & Beads" version ..... personally one of my favorites. Adding to JS's great thread, check out this LINK for MORE info and PATTERN breakdown. FS Fighting Knife Carey
Sabrejet Posted April 21, 2012 #30 Posted April 21, 2012 A very interesting and informative thread JS...and a fine collection of blades you have there! :thumbsup:
Sabrejet Posted April 21, 2012 #31 Posted April 21, 2012 The gentlemen themselves. Fairbairn on the left, Sykes on the right.
Jack's Son Posted April 21, 2012 Author #32 Posted April 21, 2012 Agree! :thumbsup: Thanks, JS! I will have to take pictures of some of the ones in my collection and add them to your post, as you asked. Please do GB! :thumbsup: There are so many variants, I only covered the ones in my collocation.
kanemono Posted April 21, 2012 #33 Posted April 21, 2012 That is a very informative thread. Thank you for posting it. Dick
Jack's Son Posted April 21, 2012 Author #34 Posted April 21, 2012 This is a nice thread and a very nice selection of F-S knives. Thanks! I am not sure what you mean when you say they were to ornate for the job at hand. The knives you show with 'engraving' are Wilkinson made F-S knives and that was their makers mark...... The WWII Wilkinson blades were certainly used in combat during the war. I understand your point, but please allow me a bit of 'poetic license' here. The knives are very nicely done indeed, and I have no boubt the they were capable to performing the task at hand. I was just being a bit 'flowery' in thought.
Sabrejet Posted April 21, 2012 #35 Posted April 21, 2012 JS...what are the two small leather tabs on the scabbards for? I assume to attach them to something...but what? :think:
Jack's Son Posted April 21, 2012 Author #36 Posted April 21, 2012 Carey, Thank you for adding the picture of the beaded handle style. I didn't omit them on purpose, I just haven't added one to my collection yet! I hope other members will add some of theirs.
Jack's Son Posted April 21, 2012 Author #37 Posted April 21, 2012 JS...what are the two small leather tabs on the scabbards for? I assume to attach them to something...but what? :think: The British camandos worked in plain cloths, or "quiet" field gear, and did not always have belts from which to attach the scabbard. The doctrine of the camandos was stealth and surprise, thus the tabs were sewn onto the scabbard so the knife could be concealed by sewing it in clothing, pack, or blanket, always at the ready, yet unseen.
Sabrejet Posted April 21, 2012 #38 Posted April 21, 2012 The British camandos worked in plain cloths, or "quiet" field gear, and did not always have belts from which to attach the scabbard. The doctrine of the camandos was stealth and surprise, thus the tabs were sewn onto the scabbard so the knife could be concealed by sewing it in clothing, pack, or blanket, always at the ready, yet unseen. Right...got it. Thanks JS! :thumbsup:
Got da Penny Posted April 21, 2012 #39 Posted April 21, 2012 I was just being a bit 'flowery' in thought I would be too, if owned what you have .... also, i didnt know these were in your collection ... "Doh" !! CS
tsellati Posted April 21, 2012 #40 Posted April 21, 2012 That is a very informative thread. Thank you for posting it.Dick +1, a very informative thread indeed. Here is my daughter Alex's commando knife from her collection - And here is a Marine Corps Raider stiletto from my collection - Tim
Sabrejet Posted April 21, 2012 #41 Posted April 21, 2012 So, for the benefit of a non-blade man like me, what's the thinking behind that weird "flap-jack turner" scabbard? :think:
Jack's Son Posted April 21, 2012 Author #42 Posted April 21, 2012 So, for the benefit of a non-blade man like me, what's the thinking behind that weird "flap-jack turner" scabbard? :think: One answer comes from the CIA site quoted below. It is fairly benign, no spy drama here! "The knives were issued with an unusual “pancake flapper” sheath with an O-ring to hold the knife in place. The slots in the “pancake flapper” made it easy for belts of different widths to be woven through the sheath. At the time, Landers, Frary and Clark were the largest producers of kitchen utensils in America. Apparently the same molds the company used to make its pancake flappers were also used to make the sheath for the Fairbairn-Sykes OSS Stiletto".* *https://www.cia.gov/news-information/featured-story-archive/fairbairn-sykes-oss-stiletto.html
Sabrejet Posted April 21, 2012 #43 Posted April 21, 2012 One answer comes from the CIA site quoted below. It is fairly benign, no spy drama here! "The knives were issued with an unusual “pancake flapper” sheath with an O-ring to hold the knife in place. The slots in the “pancake flapper” made it easy for belts of different widths to be woven through the sheath. At the time, Landers, Frary and Clark were the largest producers of kitchen utensils in America. Apparently the same molds the company used to make its pancake flappers were also used to make the sheath for the Fairbairn-Sykes OSS Stiletto".* *https://www.cia.gov/news-information/featured-story-archive/fairbairn-sykes-oss-stiletto.html So...a dual purpose scabbard? It carries the blade, then, when you hunker down for the night you can rustle up some pancakes?! American ingenuity par excellence!
tsellati Posted April 21, 2012 #44 Posted April 21, 2012 One answer comes from the CIA site quoted below. It is fairly benign, no spy drama here! "The knives were issued with an unusual “pancake flapper” sheath with an O-ring to hold the knife in place. The slots in the “pancake flapper” made it easy for belts of different widths to be woven through the sheath. At the time, Landers, Frary and Clark were the largest producers of kitchen utensils in America. Apparently the same molds the company used to make its pancake flappers were also used to make the sheath for the Fairbairn-Sykes OSS Stiletto".* *https://www.cia.gov/news-information/featured-story-archive/fairbairn-sykes-oss-stiletto.html Wow, what a fascinating piece of information/trivia. I knew about the versatility of allowing different sized belts to be threaded through the top of the scabbard, but I did not know the pancake flapper appearance was due to the fact a pancake flapper mold was used to make them :thumbsup:. Tim
Jack's Son Posted April 21, 2012 Author #45 Posted April 21, 2012 Wow, what a fascinating piece of information/trivia. I knew about the versatility of allowing different sized belts to be threaded through the top of the scabbard, but I did not know the pancake flapper appearance was due to the fact a pancake flapper mold was used to make them :thumbsup:.Tim Tim, I was hoping to make this thread 'informational', but I never anticipated it would become "THIS" informational!
Lucky 7th Armored Posted April 21, 2012 #46 Posted April 21, 2012 I enjoyed reading this JS! This is a great thread, i learned a lot! Haydn
ac106 Posted April 21, 2012 #47 Posted April 21, 2012 What an informative article, its really a great primer on the topics! thanks!
blitzkrieg gsd Posted April 21, 2012 #48 Posted April 21, 2012 Nice thread full of good info thanks for posting it. My dad has had two in mint condition since i was a kid but i dont think he has scabards for either. They must be later models cause they dont have the scroll work on them that i remember. Were they being made all threw ww2 and even after? How about during Nam were they still being made then? I ask because dad was a Nam era Marine and i think he was looking for the perfect fighting knife to carry. His knife collection has many Nam era fighting knives including two of these. So im wondering if they are models that were made in the 60s and thats why the condition is so good.
Jack's Son Posted April 21, 2012 Author #49 Posted April 21, 2012 ........So im wondering if they are models that were made in the 60s and thats why the condition is so good. F-S knives were still in use by the US Army special forces during the Vietnam war. In fact, the knife is still issued in several Armies of the world.
Jack's Son Posted April 21, 2012 Author #50 Posted April 21, 2012 My thanks to everyone for all the positive comments. I hope the thread continues to develop as more members add pieces from their collections.
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