General Apathy Posted January 25, 2023 Share #22901 Posted January 25, 2023 . From the Shoebox . . . . . . . . I have a number and variety of spoons WW1 & WWII these are just six with differences, nowhere near a definitive range of spoons, one is unmarked US, one has a raised US. The unmarked one is one of seven I have, the raised one is one of four I have. number #1. WWI tin-plate dated ( CPC 1918 ) embossed US number #2. WWI Stainless dated ( WBW 1918 ) embossed USMC number #3. Undated tin-plate un-embossed number #4. Undated tin-plate embossed US number #5 Undated tin-plated raised US number #6 undated stainless marked embossed US . Norman D. Landing, Forum Normandy Correspondent, January 25 2023. ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Apathy Posted January 25, 2023 Share #22902 Posted January 25, 2023 . From the Shoebox . . . . . . . three spoons, the object of which is to show the unusual spoon in the centre with the raised US marking. . Norman D. Landing, Forum Normandy Correspondent, January 25 2023. ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Apathy Posted January 25, 2023 Share #22903 Posted January 25, 2023 . From the Shoebox . . . . . . . . Knives and Forks tomorrow, heading for the wooden hills now and some ZZZZZZZZ's . . . . . . . . . . Norman D. Landing, Forum Normandy Correspondent, January 25 2023. ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikie Posted January 25, 2023 Share #22904 Posted January 25, 2023 37 minutes ago, General Apathy said: . From the Shoebox . . . . . . . three spoons, the object of which is to show the unusual spoon in the centre with the raised US marking. . Norman D. Landing, Forum Normandy Correspondent, January 25 2023. ... You have served up a new one for me. Now I'll be checking every spoon I come across. And since we are on the subject, check out a couple of items you will find in our cutlery drawer... A 1916 spoon and 1905 knife. Mikie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BEAST Posted January 25, 2023 Share #22905 Posted January 25, 2023 8 minutes ago, General Apathy said: . From the Shoebox . . . . . . . . Knives and Forks tomorrow, heading for the wooden hills now and some ZZZZZZZZ's . . . . . . . . . . Norman D. Landing, Forum Normandy Correspondent, January 25 2023. ... Ken, Quit spoon feeding us! Post them all!🙂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Apathy Posted January 25, 2023 Share #22906 Posted January 25, 2023 . Another band member goes . . . . . . . ' Top ' Topham one for the founding members of the 1963 band ' The Yardbirds ' has died aged 75, sadly almost becoming an epidemic of the iconic 60's & 70's band members passing lately . . Norman D. Landing, Forum Normandy Correspondent, January 25 2023. ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikie Posted January 25, 2023 Share #22907 Posted January 25, 2023 44 minutes ago, BEAST said: Ken, Quit spoon feeding us! Post them all!🙂 😆🥄 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cutiger83 Posted January 26, 2023 Share #22908 Posted January 26, 2023 5 hours ago, Johan Willaert said: A couple of days ago Ken commented about footage of US Army Jerrycan manufacture in Britain and how wonderful it would be to have something similar about Jeep construction... Well rather rebuilding instead of building, still some great images here.... Excellent video! Thanks for posting! ...Kat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Apathy Posted January 26, 2023 Share #22909 Posted January 26, 2023 On 1/25/2023 at 8:27 PM, Johan Willaert said: A couple of days ago Ken commented about footage of US Army Jerrycan manufacture in Britain and how wonderful it would be to have something similar about Jeep construction... Well rather rebuilding instead of building, still some great images here.... . Hi Johan, once again thanks for the link to Jeep rebuilds in New Zealand during WWII. As Jeep owners we have always been aware that Jeeps undergoing rebuilds at factories or depots during or post WWII were always put back together with which-ever Willy's or Ford part was available on the line at that time. Here's evidence on the New Zealand footage of Willy's slat-grille fronts being used on Ford GPW frames, as would many other parts be interchanged along the production line. possibly the Jeeps that never left America during WWII and not rebuilt stand the best chance of retaining, the matching frame, engine and dash-plates numbers. The two photos appear to show two different rebuilds but both having had slat-grilles fitted, one with wing light, one without, all the grease marks on the front bumper appear different on both of them. The Jeeps were rebuilt as weapons of war not a concourse finish. !!! Norman D. Landing, Forum Normandy Correspondent, January 27 2023. ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johan Willaert Posted January 27, 2023 Share #22910 Posted January 27, 2023 Yes, and the first one still sports the Tombstone BO Light Guard... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johan Willaert Posted January 27, 2023 Share #22911 Posted January 27, 2023 Some WW2 Jeep Factory photos... both MB and GPW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Apathy Posted January 27, 2023 Share #22912 Posted January 27, 2023 2 hours ago, Johan Willaert said: Some WW2 Jeep Factory photos... both MB and GPW . Hi Johan, well we all paw and look these photo's over and over again, this one being an early Ford body. This photo I find weirdly-funny, he's over-spraying the Jeep with a totally different color of paint ( or maybe wax-protection for shipping / storage reasons ) why on earth is the side hip cushion mounted with so many other pieces not fitted before this over-spraying is completed. !!! . Norman D. Landing, Forum Normandy Correspondent, January 27 2023. ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cutiger83 Posted January 27, 2023 Share #22913 Posted January 27, 2023 24 minutes ago, General Apathy said: . Hi Johan, well we all paw and look these photo's over and over again, this one being an early Ford body. This photo I find weirdly-funny, he's over-spraying the Jeep with a totally different color of paint ( or maybe wax-protection for shipping / storage reasons ) why on earth is the side hip cushion mounted with so many other pieces not fitted before this over-spraying is completed. !!! . Norman D. Landing, Forum Normandy Correspondent, January 27 2023. ... I was wondering what he was spraying. I found it funny that he appears to be protecting every part of his body EXCEPT for his lungs. ...Kat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johan Willaert Posted January 27, 2023 Share #22914 Posted January 27, 2023 34 minutes ago, General Apathy said: . Hi Johan, well we all paw and look these photo's over and over again, this one being an early Ford body. This photo I find weirdly-funny, he's over-spraying the Jeep with a totally different color of paint ( or maybe wax-protection for shipping / storage reasons ) why on earth is the side hip cushion mounted with so many other pieces not fitted before this over-spraying is completed. !!! . Norman D. Landing, Forum Normandy Correspondent, January 27 2023. ... For some reason the olive drab was sprayed after most, if not all, body accessories exept for these on the dash were fitted. I have seen several non restored jeeps where there was only primer underneath the bolt-on parts... And so on a factory restoration there should be overspray on the hip cushions... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cutiger83 Posted January 27, 2023 Share #22915 Posted January 27, 2023 49 minutes ago, Johan Willaert said: For some reason the olive drab was sprayed after most, if not all, body accessories exept for these on the dash were fitted. I have seen several non restored jeeps where there was only primer underneath the bolt-on parts... And so on a factory restoration there should be overspray on the hip cushions... The knowledge you and Ken have just floors me! ..Kat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Apathy Posted January 27, 2023 Share #22916 Posted January 27, 2023 37 minutes ago, Johan Willaert said: For some reason the olive drab was sprayed after most, if not all, body accessories exept for these on the dash were fitted. I have seen several non restored jeeps where there was only primer underneath the bolt-on parts... And so on a factory restoration there should be overspray on the hip cushions... . Hi Johan, I can see the logic of not putting the glass fronted gauges in until top coat has been applied, just don't see the logic of putting in the canvas hip pads prior to finished spray being applied. Yes I have also seen Jeeps before they got into the hands of collector / restorers and I recall seeing just red lead paint underneath the hip pads. The American automotive industry always amazed me over the years and I saw how vehicles were assembled and unpainted in certain areas. I had a ' factory-finished ' CJ5 in the mid 70's new straight from a dealership. There was already surface rust under the dash and bulkhead where it had been left unpainted, the axles and gearbox appeared to have had one thin spray of black paint at the manufacturing plants and never top-coated ( or undercoated under the black spray ) before assembly at the production plant. Very soon the thin black spray had rusted off the axles and gearbox, I suppose the paint finish was ok in the sunshine of California but not so in the wet UK. Norman D. Landing, Forum Normandy Correspondent, January 27 2023. ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johan Willaert Posted January 27, 2023 Share #22917 Posted January 27, 2023 17 minutes ago, General Apathy said: I can see the logic of not putting the glass fronted gauges in until top coat has been applied, just don't see the logic of putting in the canvas hip pads prior to finished spray being applied. Yes I have also seen Jeeps before they got into the hands of collector / restorers and I recall seeing just red lead paint underneath the hip pads. To add to the confusion... look at this MB getting ready to be sprayed.... Gauges taped off, steering wheel covered and sides of the engine compartment protected by cardboard, but no body accessories bolted on... Leather boots, rubbers on the windshield, gear lever knobs etc all about to get some OD... Proves again that in the jeep world anything goes... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dogsbody Posted January 27, 2023 Share #22918 Posted January 27, 2023 On 1/25/2023 at 11:13 PM, General Apathy said: . From the Shoebox . . . . . . . . I have a number and variety of spoons WW1 & WWII these are just six with differences, nowhere near a definitive range of spoons, one is unmarked US, one has a raised US. The unmarked one is one of seven I have, the raised one is one of four I have. number #1. WWI tin-plate dated ( CPC 1918 ) embossed US number #2. WWI Stainless dated ( WBW 1918 ) embossed USMC number #3. Undated tin-plate un-embossed number #4. Undated tin-plate embossed US number #5 Undated tin-plated raised US number #6 undated stainless marked embossed US . Norman D. Landing, Forum Normandy Correspondent, January 25 2023. ... Leave it to Ken to rustle up a stirring subject. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dogsbody Posted January 27, 2023 Share #22919 Posted January 27, 2023 On 1/25/2023 at 11:17 PM, General Apathy said: . From the Shoebox . . . . . . . three spoons, the object of which is to show the unusual spoon in the centre with the raised US marking. . Norman D. Landing, Forum Normandy Correspondent, January 25 2023. ... Can anyone confirm that the 'non serifed' stainless US spoons (on the right) are considered to be post-war? Never saw the raised US ones before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dogsbody Posted January 27, 2023 Share #22920 Posted January 27, 2023 On 1/26/2023 at 12:02 AM, BEAST said: Ken, Quit spoon feeding us! Post them all!🙂 Agreed. Time to fork them over.🍴 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikie Posted January 27, 2023 Share #22921 Posted January 27, 2023 1 hour ago, Dogsbody said: Leave it to Ken to rustle up a stirring subject. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikie Posted January 27, 2023 Share #22922 Posted January 27, 2023 With all this photo documentation, I’m pretty confident that I could assemble a jeep all on my own. No promises that it will run. Or look anything like a jeep when I finish, though. And there may be one or two leftover parts. mikie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
earlymb Posted January 28, 2023 Share #22923 Posted January 28, 2023 On 1/27/2023 at 12:28 AM, General Apathy said: . Hi Johan, once again thanks for the link to Jeep rebuilds in New Zealand during WWII. As Jeep owners we have always been aware that Jeeps undergoing rebuilds at factories or depots during or post WWII were always put back together with which-ever Willy's or Ford part was available on the line at that time. Here's evidence on the New Zealand footage of Willy's slat-grille fronts being used on Ford GPW frames, as would many other parts be interchanged along the production line. possibly the Jeeps that never left America during WWII and not rebuilt stand the best chance of retaining, the matching frame, engine and dash-plates numbers. The two photos appear to show two different rebuilds but both having had slat-grilles fitted, one with wing light, one without, all the grease marks on the front bumper appear different on both of them. The Jeeps were rebuilt as weapons of war not a concourse finish. !!! Norman D. Landing, Forum Normandy Correspondent, January 27 2023. ... My jeep never left the States during the war, and it seemed to have body# and dates on the axles matching with the frame # and date of delivery. The original engine was long gone, as were most of the early parts except fenders, windshield, air filter and hood, which I think are all factory original. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Apathy Posted January 28, 2023 Share #22924 Posted January 28, 2023 35 minutes ago, earlymb said: My jeep never left the States during the war, and it seemed to have body# and dates on the axles matching with the frame # and date of delivery. The original engine was long gone, as were most of the early parts except fenders, windshield, air filter and hood, which I think are all factory original. . Hi everyone adding posts on Jeeps and all others reading the posts on Jeeps, most of this is our observations and not definitive details . Thanks earlymb for enforcing my theory that most of the Jeeps that never left the States during WWII possibly stand the best chances of remaining as built with matching numbers, and didn't go though overseas rebuilds. Having now seen the photographic evidence of Ford Jeeps leaving rebuild facilities with Willy's slat-grilles then I have to review my thoughts of a Jeep I saw here in France at a vehicle show in August 2022, it was a complete Ford with Slat-Grille from an early Ford, so it gives us fresh thoughts on Jeeps before they got into the hands of collectors. In a post above about spraying Jeeps then Johan passed the opinion regarding Jeeps ' then anything goes ' and if this is the case and it helped Jeeps survive then lets keep them Rolling . . . . . . . . Norman D. Landing, Forum Normandy Correspondent, January 28 2023. ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Apathy Posted January 28, 2023 Share #22925 Posted January 28, 2023 On 1/25/2023 at 11:13 PM, General Apathy said: . From the Shoebox . . . . . . . . I have a number and variety of spoons WW1 & WWII these are just six with differences, nowhere near a definitive range of spoons, one is unmarked US, one has a raised US. The unmarked one is one of seven I have, the raised one is one of four I have. number #1. WWI tin-plate dated ( CPC 1918 ) embossed US number #2. WWI Stainless dated ( WBW 1918 ) embossed USMC number #3. Undated tin-plate un-embossed number #4. Undated tin-plate embossed US number #5 Undated tin-plated raised US number #6 undated stainless marked embossed US . Norman D. Landing, Forum Normandy Correspondent, January 25 2023. ... . On 1/25/2023 at 11:17 PM, General Apathy said: . From the Shoebox . . . . . . . three spoons, the object of which is to show the unusual spoon in the centre with the raised US marking. . Norman D. Landing, Forum Normandy Correspondent, January 25 2023. ... . Ok so as was said earlier we stirred things up with spoons, lets now fork through other eating-irons . . . . Again as I said with the spoons this is not definitive details on US Army Forks, these are comparisons of forks I have left over in my Shoebox, most other sets went in auctions 2018 - 2019. Number #1. WWI tin-plated ( dated 1918 WBW ) embossed US Number #2. Stainless steel ( dated 1917 WBW ) embossed USMC Number #3. tin-plated un-embossed Number #4. tin-plated embossed US Number #5. Stainless steel embossed US Norman D. Landing, Forum Normandy Correspondent, January 28 2023. ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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