rambob Posted January 8, 2007 Share #1 Posted January 8, 2007 Here is a really nice Boyt 41 M1928 Pack all assembled with all recommended components (except the C rations). This includes the wool overcoat, raincoat and complete blanket roll down to the underwear and socks. It is a bear to lug to shows because of it's weight, but it is a big khaki attention getter once there. I have suspender pads installed and the shoulder straps adjusted down real tight for easier transport. The pack is filled with clothes, while the manual says it would really be filled with C rations in two rows. But who can afford that many C rats to be buried inside a pack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loek Posted January 8, 2007 Share #2 Posted January 8, 2007 Thanks, now I finally know how to pack my haversack. Does anyone know the purpose is of the 2 D-rings attached to the tail? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bilko1 Posted January 8, 2007 Share #3 Posted January 8, 2007 These pictures have been taken out of FM21-15, look closely at the fig 10 in pic 3, pack carier suspension D rings are for attachment of the pack suspenders when pack TAIL is used. The offical line when attaching the overcoat is to use the shelter rope,but a switched on GI may have aquired some straps same as you for ease of attachment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bilko1 Posted January 8, 2007 Share #4 Posted January 8, 2007 3rd pic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carl1944 Posted January 8, 2007 Share #5 Posted January 8, 2007 In my collection I have a 1941 dated M1928 Haversack manufactured by BOYT. Intrestingly, it's missing the big U.S. Stencil on the outer flap. How about that? Could it be USMC? Curious what you have to say about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bilko1 Posted January 8, 2007 Share #6 Posted January 8, 2007 Is the Boyt maked on the back? I think the USMC ones are maked as so inside. I had this conversation with a mate and best we could come up with is they were supplied to pro US countries like the Philippines, etc early in WW2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carl1944 Posted January 8, 2007 Share #7 Posted January 8, 2007 There is no USMC stamp inside. On the back of the pack it is dated BOYT 41. Could this gear also have been issued to US troops going abroad? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alibi Posted January 8, 2007 Share #8 Posted January 8, 2007 Boyt Harness Co., Des Moines, Iowa had two Army QMC contracts in 1941 for haversacks: W-431 QM-05098 $537k July 41 completed Oct 41 W-431 QM-00075 $529k Aug 41 completed Jan 42 The Army got alot of haversacks, marked U.S. or not, for 1.66 million dollars. There was also two contracts for pack carriers totaling $136,000. In 1942 Boyt had contracts for haversacks totaling 1.548 million dollars. Note that contracts intended for lend lease had an "L" suffix and it is known some of these items were marked "U.S." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jan Wouters Posted January 12, 2007 Share #9 Posted January 12, 2007 Is there any evidence of British Made M1928 Haversacks being used frequently in the ETO ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glenm Posted January 12, 2007 Share #10 Posted January 12, 2007 As with any of the British-made gear, it was specifically made for use in the ETO, judging by the fact that you can find them in used condition, then they were used for definite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gliderinf Posted January 12, 2007 Share #11 Posted January 12, 2007 Ah, but the usual question then applies, how early were they seen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johan Willaert Posted January 12, 2007 Share #12 Posted January 12, 2007 From what I've seen on period photographs and battlefield picked up items I would say that the BM items were used in the ETO from D-Day onwards. They were probably issued to US troops in preparation for D-Day and used throughout the remainder of WW2. I have yet to see evidence of its use 'en masse' by troops in Italy or Southern France. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glenm Posted January 12, 2007 Share #13 Posted January 12, 2007 One thing about British-made gear obviously the "6-month rule" doesn't apply when talking about production to reaching the front lines, since it wasn't being shipped across the Atlantic. There's plenty of British-made equipment dated 1943, so it shouldn't be an issue to assume that some units had it prior to D-Day. The 82nd are certainly seen with British-made equipment in Normandy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johan Willaert Posted January 12, 2007 Share #14 Posted January 12, 2007 Do you have any evidence of its use by the 82AB in Italy? I think it was mainly issued to troops training for the invasion during winter 43-44 in Britain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gliderinf Posted January 12, 2007 Share #15 Posted January 12, 2007 It would make sense for it to be mainly used by units who were stationed in Britain before going to the continent, rather than those shipped straight from the US. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glenm Posted January 12, 2007 Share #16 Posted January 12, 2007 I would think that you're quite correct in that assumption Johan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loek Posted January 12, 2007 Share #17 Posted January 12, 2007 This guy is wearing a Brit-made M1928 haversack. I can also post a picture of a paratrooper inside a C-47 with a Brit-made musette bag. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glenm Posted January 12, 2007 Share #18 Posted January 12, 2007 Took me a little bit of close peering at that photo to work out how you knew that! British-made M36 Suspenders and Musette Bags are quite common in the 82nd and 101st. They then to be the most obvious British-made items that you can spot in photos as well. It's harder to spot Brit-made First Aid Pouches with the Newey-studded flap, but they are there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craig_pickrall Posted January 12, 2007 Share #19 Posted January 12, 2007 The Special Warfare Museum in Fayettesville, NC (just outside Ft Bragg) has the British made Musette bag carried by CAPT - COL (later GEN) William P. Yarborough. There is a better than even chance this one was in Italy or Southern France. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kilian Posted January 29, 2007 Share #20 Posted January 29, 2007 Sunday afternoon produced this set of field gear from my box of Pandora in the attic. Items I bought as a boy from Dutch surplus stores in the late 70´s for very little money. Not hampered by any knowledge I bought and assembled pieces of field gear with a nice "US" stamp on them. All very lightly used, if at all. My research has identified the items as being: Belt, Cartridge, Cal .30, Dismounted, M-1923 By Boyt. Can´t read the year of manufacture. Haversack, M-1928 Boyt 1941 Pouch, Meatcan, M-1928. Can´t find maker or date. Carrier, Pack, M-1928 Pack tail by American Leather Products Corp 1941 I would be interested to know if there is a way to date the cartidge belt and to identify the maker and date of the meatcan pouch. Is there any other information on the items that you would like to share? By the way: it will go back in Pandora´s box and won´t be on eBay next week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artu44 Posted January 29, 2007 Share #21 Posted January 29, 2007 Your cartridge belt looks OD3 colour so you can have an idea of the year looking at buckle material, brass until mid 1942 about and light alloy after. In late 1943 they shifted to OD7 colour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dartheric1 Posted May 30, 2011 Share #22 Posted May 30, 2011 There is no USMC stamp inside. On the back of the pack it is dated BOYT 41. Could this gear also have been issued to US troops going abroad? I have one thats identical. almost a pea green to, with brass hardware, dated 1941. no USMC or thrid bayonet eyelet though, so id assume its an army one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crb83 Posted October 30, 2011 Share #23 Posted October 30, 2011 Here is a really nice Boyt 41 M1928 Pack all assembled with all recommended components (except the C rations). This includes the wool overcoat, raincoat and complete blanket roll down to the underwear and socks. It is a bear to lug to shows because of it's weight, but it is a big khaki attention getter once there. I have suspender pads installed and the shoulder straps adjusted down real tight for easier transport. The pack is filled with clothes, while the manual says it would really be filled with C rations in two rows. But who can afford that many C rats to be buried inside a pack. Outstanding! I have a question on the fastening of the overcoat to the top of the pack (which could also be done with a blanket roll since guys didn't carry their pack tails). I see there's a utility strap on the top and sides of the roll, what did you fasten that to? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craig_pickrall Posted November 4, 2011 Share #24 Posted November 4, 2011 Outstanding! I have a question on the fastening of the overcoat to the top of the pack (which could also be done with a blanket roll since guys didn't carry their pack tails). I see there's a utility strap on the top and sides of the roll, what did you fasten that to? Follow this link and look at post # 6 to see the Overcoat Roll. http://www.usmilitariaforum.com/forums/ind...showtopic=13234 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest M1911A1 Posted May 19, 2012 Share #25 Posted May 19, 2012 Hi I have instructions for the USMC heavy marching order pack, they are for the M1928 but I read some where one time that the marine corp pack was bigger than the armys. Does any body know if there is a difference. here are pics of the sheet, its a copy. Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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