Dave Posted February 26, 2012 Share #26 Posted February 26, 2012 His father in law was Lieutenant General Harold Cooper Donnelly...that's probably where the USAF stuff came from... http://www.af.mil/information/bios/bio.asp?bioID=5245 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hirsca Posted February 26, 2012 Author Share #27 Posted February 26, 2012 His father in law was Lieutenant General Harold Cooper Donnelly...that's probably where the USAF stuff came from... http://www.af.mil/information/bios/bio.asp?bioID=5245 Thanks Dave. That clears up a lot. There was a USMA yearbook at the sale, so I assumed (you know what that means) that it was his. The rosettes were probably his fathers. Thanks again for continuing the great help that you and the other Forummers provide. Al. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hirsca Posted February 26, 2012 Author Share #28 Posted February 26, 2012 Thanks Dave. That clears up a lot. There was a USMA yearbook at the sale, so I assumed (you know what that means) that it was his. The rosettes were probably his fathers. Thanks again for continuing the great help that you and the other Forummers provide. Al. I just read the bio on the father. Definitely confirms where the rosettes came from. Thanks again, Al. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack's Son Posted February 26, 2012 Share #29 Posted February 26, 2012 Al, Did you find any clues to help determine what the remaining unidentified rosette is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted February 26, 2012 Share #30 Posted February 26, 2012 Al,Did you find any clues to help determine what the remaining unidentified rosette is? I bet it's something Air Force related (maybe not USAF...) the general's bio states: "General Donnelly's decorations include the Distinguished Service Medal, Legion of Merit with two oak leaf clusters, Army Commendation Medal with oak leaf cluster, the Order of the British Empire and the French Legion of Honor." So we can be 100% sure of the Legion of Honor and the OBE, so the other could be another foreign award... Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hirsca Posted February 26, 2012 Author Share #31 Posted February 26, 2012 I bet it's something Air Force related (maybe not USAF...) the general's bio states: "General Donnelly's decorations include the Distinguished Service Medal, Legion of Merit with two oak leaf clusters, Army Commendation Medal with oak leaf cluster, the Order of the British Empire and the French Legion of Honor." So we can be 100% sure of the Legion of Honor and the OBE, so the other could be another foreign award... Dave Thanks Dave and Jack's Son. No ID yet on the remaining rosette. Here are a couple of pics of everything else I picked up at the estate sale in addition to the the rosettes. Question on the rosettes---What size goes on what? 1/4" on a ribbon bar or would it be the 3/8"?? Thanks again, Al. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hirsca Posted February 26, 2012 Author Share #32 Posted February 26, 2012 Thanks Dave and Jack's Son. No ID yet on the remaining rosette. Here are a couple of pics of everything else I picked up at the estate sale in addition to the the rosettes. Question on the rosettes---What size goes on what? 1/4" on a ribbon bar or would it be the 3/8"?? Thanks again, Al. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roadrunner Posted February 26, 2012 Share #33 Posted February 26, 2012 Hello Here is a link to Rosettes of the World. http://webspace.webring.com/people/nj/jens...h/osettes.shtml HAVE A NICE DAY Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEABEEBRIAN Posted February 26, 2012 Share #34 Posted February 26, 2012 There are only a few american awards that did or do include a rosette primarily AF and NASA. The remaining rosette reminds me of a NASA, DOD or AF civilian service ribbon. I think it matches the NASA Distinguished Public Service Medal rosette. I looked through a hundred or so other rosette pictures and it's the only one that is close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Hudson Posted February 26, 2012 Share #35 Posted February 26, 2012 Here's a nice example to illustrate the diagonal pattern used on rosettes. This rosette and the Bronze Star ribbon came from the estate of a US Navy Captain who received the BS for his work in creating the camo/concealment paint scheme for submarines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack's Son Posted February 26, 2012 Share #36 Posted February 26, 2012 There are only a few american awards that did or do include a rosette primarily AF and NASA. The remaining rosette reminds me of a NASA, DOD or AF civilian service ribbon. I think it matches the NASA Distinguished Public Service Medal rosette. I looked through a hundred or so other rosette pictures and it's the only one that is close. Brian, I have looked at all the rosettes I could find, and came to the same conclusion. I thought Al's was a bit "yellower", and I didn't want to stick my neck out! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted February 26, 2012 Share #37 Posted February 26, 2012 Thanks Dave and Jack's Son. No ID yet on the remaining rosette. Here are a couple of pics of everything else I picked up at the estate sale in addition to the the rosettes. Question on the rosettes---What size goes on what? 1/4" on a ribbon bar or would it be the 3/8"?? Thanks again, Al. Only the small LdeH rosettes would have been worn on ribbons. The others were for wearing on the lapel. The OBE didn't have a rosette, so those are definitely for the lapel. And the other...I'm guessing it's a NASA award as it looks really close to the one that was found (above). Unfortunately, the general's bio doesn't cover his last 2 years in the service nor what he did later, so there's the possibility he went to work for NASA at some point, either before retirement or afterwards... Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hirsca Posted February 26, 2012 Author Share #38 Posted February 26, 2012 Only the small LdeH rosettes would have been worn on ribbons. The others were for wearing on the lapel. The OBE didn't have a rosette, so those are definitely for the lapel. And the other...I'm guessing it's a NASA award as it looks really close to the one that was found (above). Unfortunately, the general's bio doesn't cover his last 2 years in the service nor what he did later, so there's the possibility he went to work for NASA at some point, either before retirement or afterwards... Dave Thanks Dave. The NASA DPSM colors look right, but did they make a rosette? I saw online a lapel pin which was a miniature of the medal's planchette. Also, I found a list of everyone who had been awarded that medal and Hino was not on it. Thanks again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted February 26, 2012 Share #39 Posted February 26, 2012 Thanks Dave. The NASA DPSM colors look right, but did they make a rosette? I saw online a lapel pin which was a miniature of the medal's planchette. Also, I found a list of everyone who had been awarded that medal and Hino was not on it. Thanks again. What about Donnelly? As far as I'm concerned, these rosettes have nothing to do with Hino - all this appears to have belonged to his father in law... Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hirsca Posted February 27, 2012 Author Share #40 Posted February 27, 2012 What about Donnelly? As far as I'm concerned, these rosettes have nothing to do with Hino - all this appears to have belonged to his father in law... Dave Arrrgh! Sorry about that----but Donnelly is not on the Wikipedia list either. Thanks, Al. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEABEEBRIAN Posted February 27, 2012 Share #41 Posted February 27, 2012 Thanks Dave. The NASA DPSM colors look right, but did they make a rosette? I saw online a lapel pin which was a miniature of the medal's planchette. Also, I found a list of everyone who had been awarded that medal and Hino was not on it. Thanks again. Every official NASA award also has a rosette. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hirsca Posted February 27, 2012 Author Share #42 Posted February 27, 2012 Every official NASA award also has a rosette. Thanks SEABEEBRIAN. I think that we have now closed the loop on this one!! Many thanks to all of you who helped solve the puzzle. Al. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted February 27, 2012 Share #43 Posted February 27, 2012 Arrrgh! Sorry about that----but Donnelly is not on the Wikipedia list either. Thanks, Al. I wouldn't trust the Wikipedia list. Not a couple months ago, their Legion of Merit recipient list was about 200 people long. Now it's about 2000 people long. The 4-star command I worked for processed that many for Navy and MC recipients alone in about a 4 year period. With that said - their lists are VERY incomplete. Keep your fingers crossed! Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hirsca Posted February 27, 2012 Author Share #44 Posted February 27, 2012 I wouldn't trust the Wikipedia list. Not a couple months ago, their Legion of Merit recipient list was about 200 people long. Now it's about 2000 people long. The 4-star command I worked for processed that many for Navy and MC recipients alone in about a 4 year period. With that said - their lists are VERY incomplete. Keep your fingers crossed! Dave Well, I just reopened the loop!! Thanks Dave, I'll go to plan B (and C and D etc.) now. Al. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hirsca Posted February 27, 2012 Author Share #45 Posted February 27, 2012 Well, I just reopened the loop!! Thanks Dave, I'll go to plan B (and C and D etc.) now. Al. I just found his obit from the Albuquerque paper. No mention of NASA service pre or post retirement. But he was assigned to and later commanded the Defense Atomic Support Agency and it states that his awards included the DASA Distinguished Service Medal (along with the OBE and LoH). I cannot find a picture of that medal to see if the ribbon matches the rosette in question. Anyone? Thanks, Al. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thessa720 Posted January 14, 2013 Share #46 Posted January 14, 2013 I picked these up yesterday along with other items from the estate sale of a retire USAF BG who started his career in the Army as an artillery officer. They measure in size from 1/2" to 3/8" to 1/4". The 1/2" is dark blue along the edge with blue, gold and blue going from the edge to the center. The first 3/8" size is a pink/salmon color with narrow very light blue diagonal stripes. All in the last group are solid red in both 3/8" and 1/4" sizes. Would the 1/2" size be for wearing on a civilian jacket lapel? And would the 3/8" and 1/4" sizes be placed on full size and miniature medals respectively? Any comments or info on these is much appreciated. Thanks, Al Hirschler in Dallas. I am a new member and read this post. Yes, the first rosette (dark blue with gold and blue) is NASA Distinguished Public Service. I know because I am a NASA collector. I am wondering if you have any extra. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hirsca Posted January 14, 2013 Author Share #47 Posted January 14, 2013 I am a new member and read this post. Yes, the first rosette (dark blue with gold and blue) is NASA Distinguished Public Service. I know because I am a NASA collector. I am wondering if you have any extra. Hello thessa720 and welcome to the Forum. Sorry, I sold it last fall at the Dallas OMSA convention. The buyer thought it was for the Military Order of the Carabao, but I'm really not sure anymore what it was for. There have been some very educated guesses provided by members of this Forum, but the military history of both of the men had no reference to NASA. But it sure does look like the NASA DPS. Thanks, Al. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thessa720 Posted January 16, 2013 Share #48 Posted January 16, 2013 Hello thessa720 and welcome to the Forum. Sorry, I sold it last fall at the Dallas OMSA convention. The buyer thought it was for the Military Order of the Carabao, but I'm really not sure anymore what it was for. There have been some very educated guesses provided by members of this Forum, but the military history of both of the men had no reference to NASA. But it sure does look like the NASA DPS. Thanks, Al. Al thank you for your responce..John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
menelder1941 Posted March 20, 2020 Share #49 Posted March 20, 2020 Hi, They are N.A.S.A. Distinguished Public Service Medal on left, Middle O/O British Empire and French Legion of Honor. see web site for Rosettes=http://www.frontiernet.net/%7Ejackiebush/Rosette.html Eric Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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