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Thought this would be of interest to some folks. I went to the JAG show in Louisville last weekend and picked up another 1943 pistol lanyard. When I got home I was supprised to see that the stitching was different from the one I already had.
The Hickok and date stamping are the same and the metal hook and leather mike out to be exactly the same thickness. And if you look closely you can see they have the same impression of the outline made by the stamp dies. I measured the width of the die outline and they are the same. There is no question they were made using the same stamp and material only the stitching was done on different sewing machines. I think because of this sewing difference, some of these originals have been thought to be repros because the stitching was different when compared to one that was documented as being in a collection for many years and before rerpos were being made.

I then borrowed a friends and the stitching on his is also slightly different. I suspect during manufacture they were shipped to a separate sewing room and sewn by a number of workers and on different machines. Which probably means a large factory operation which Hickok was.

The top one is my friends, then the one I had and the bottom one is the one I just picked up, Ray


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This is mine I got days ago 66$. I think it would be a decent price for an original. The stitching is different from the three above

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Nice and about 1/2 the price of one goes for here, Ray

 

Can somebody post some photos of some repros here as a learning tool for comparison.

 

I am not familiar with the repros and how close to the originals they are.

 

I say this because at first glance I didn't notice but the stamping on artu44's looks slightly different, seems a bit larger and the cross line on the "H" is higher then the three shown. Maybe just the photo. Also I don't see any die impressions. Again maybe just the photo. I hope so. Ray


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Can somebody post some photos of some repros here as a learning tool for comparison.

 

I am not familiar with the repros and how close to the originals they are.

 

I say this because at first glance I didn't notice but the stamping on artu44's looks slightly different, seems a bit larger and the cross line on the "H" is higher then the three shown. Maybe just the photo. Also I don't see any die impressions. Again maybe just the photo. I hope so. Ray

To detect a repro you have to check hook and stitching. The repros show unaccurate nylon stitching and an hook completely closed. I posted a pic of a repro in this thread.

 

http://www.usmilitariaforum.com/forums/ind...2&hl=hickok


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To detect a repro you have to check hook and stitching. The repros show unaccurate nylon stitching and an hook completely closed. I posted a pic of a repro in this thread.

 

Quote: To detect a repro you have to check hook and stitching. The repros show unaccurate nylon stitching and an hook completely closed. I posted a pic of a repro in this thread.

 

Artu, I wouldn't be so quick to discount the one in the first photo as a repro just because the hook is more closed then others. Althought the stamping is not clear in the photo you can still see the die impressions similar to all of the other originals I've see. Post #2 shows the impressions well and the two on post #3 have been darken by oil so it doesn't show up as well but you can just about make it out in the top lanyard.

 

Now as I've said before, we need to see some of the repros that are out there so we can see how the fonts look and if any of them exibit this die stamp impression.

 

I agree with you that if the thread was not cotton that would be the quick way to tell a repro but I wonder if there could be some repros being made with cotton thread. Ray


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Here are my two originals on top and the supposed repro on bottom. The giveaway for me is the stamping is such that the name and date are not easily read as on all originals I have seen. Also, I have never seen an original with the hook completely closed. This original part is tempered steel and will not close under normal use or abuse. For those of you who have not put one of these on a .45 Auto lanyard ring, you have a treat ahead of you. It is not easy and the hook does not spread without some effort.

 

I work leather for a hobby and the stitching also does not look like linen thread of sufficient weight as the originals. Notice how the repro stitching is almost flush with the leather, compared to all the other lanyards in this post. On the originals you can see every stitch and they are slightly above the level of the leather. With the correct weight/style of thread, at the correct tension, there is no way you could duplicate the weird stitching on the repro even if you wanted to.

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"No bastard ever won a war by dying for his country. He won it by making the other poor, dumb, bastard die for his country" George Pattons speech to the Third Army.

 

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Here are my two originals on top and the supposed repro on bottom. The giveaway for me is the stamping is such that the name and date are not easily read as on all originals I have seen. Also, I have never seen an original with the hook completely closed. This original part is tempered steel and will not close under normal use or abuse. For those of you who have not put one of these on a .45 Auto, you have a treat ahead of you. It is not easy and the hook does not spread without some effort.

 

You're probably right rambob. The originals have nice clear well fined stampings and the one shown doen't look that way of course it's not a good photo of the stampings. However it does have the shaddow impressions of the stamp dies and as I've not seen any other repros I don't know if this is common to the repros also. I agree that the closed hook would be a problem as they are a bugger to get on the gun.

 

Hopefully this thread will serve it's intent of trying to identify an original from the repros. Any imput would be helpful, Ray


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You're probably right rambob. The originals have nice clear well fined stampings and the one shown doen't look that way of course it's not a good photo of the stampings. However it does have the shaddow impressions of the stamp dies and as I've not seen any other repros I don't know if this is common to the repros also. I agree that the closed hook would be a problem as they are a bugger to get on the gun.

 

Hopefully this thread will serve it's intent of trying to identify an original from the repros. Any imput would be helpful, Ray

 

Well Ray, if it may help, my Hickok is in the hands of Robin B. who kindly helps me to save shipping costs filling a box with my stuff and selling it to me when the box is full. Robin examined that lanyard and wrote me it's a mint unissued original. Many people thinked it would be a repro, otherwise final price would be something more.


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Well Ray, if it may help, my Hickok is in the hands of Robin B. who kindly helps me to save shipping costs filling a box with my stuff and selling it to me when the box is full. Robin examined that lanyard and wrote me it's a mint unissued original. Many people thinked it would be a repro, otherwise final price would be something more.

 

Artu44, I'm really happy for you that's it's a good one, Ray


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Isn't it funny that these little accessories that were hardly ever used by combat troops bring so much money?

Anbody have a combat photo of these being worn. I suppose paratroops may have used them the most. Next to them maybe MP's.

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Anybody have a combat photo of these being worn?
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Brian:

Well, its not a combat photo but it is a period pic. From the archives here is a photo of some Signal Corps guys on Oahu, Territory of Hawaii in 1943 loading up. Note the lanyards.
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Charlie Flick

 

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Hi Charlie, great photo. You have some super great handguns and hosters, do you have any of these 43 Hickok lanyards you can post to help the thread out? Ray


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Hi Ray:

 

Thanks for the compliment. I do have a few of those lanyards. I grabbed two and put 'em on the scanner. The pic is attached. These have been in my collection for 20+ years, so I am certain that they are not recent reproductions.

 

Hope that helps to advance the discussion.

 

Regards,

Charlie Flick

 

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I see in the first two pics guys wearing the lanyard across the chest. Is it the rope long enough for a weaver stance?. Aviators seem to wear the 1917 model


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Who says there are no WWII pistol lanyards around? This is what literally found in a barn today:

 

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These are all Hickok - 1943 and 1944:

 

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Who says there are no WWII pistol lanyards around? This is what literally found in a barn today:

 

1944 dated? I've never heard of such a thing before now. thumbsup.gif


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1944 dated? I've never heard of such a thing before now. thumbsup.gif

 

Must have been the mouse dust affecting my eyesight - they do all say 1943,



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Must have been the mouse dust affecting my eyesight - they do all say 1943,

 

I bet you couldn't wait to get home and change clothes after being in that rat infested barn all morning. :D


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I bet you couldn't wait to get home and change clothes after being in that rat infested barn all morning. :D

 

This is the second time I've done this: the last time was in old stables behind a house about a mile north of the Mexican border. The guy had apparently been a Seabee and the the place was full of shelter halves, large military tents, camo ponchos, and all sorts of stuff. I spent a few hours digging through that and came up with tons of goodies but it was such a mess I'm sure I missed a lot. I need to carry a hazmat suit in the can for such occasions.



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