Squad leader Posted June 15, 2014 Share #51 Posted June 15, 2014 Thank's for the ID SL, seen this photo before in books, never IDed or captioned other then being in Normandy, online source of photo where I found it stated Old Hickory late June. If he's got scrim on his pot, he sure used a ton of it Same wounded Pvt en route to the aid station. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manchu Warrior Posted June 15, 2014 Share #52 Posted June 15, 2014 I had a Drill Sargent in Basic at Ft Benning that told us that if you pick foliage and stick in your helmet it wilts and dies and turns brown and then you die. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king802 Posted June 15, 2014 Share #53 Posted June 15, 2014 I had a Drill Sargent in Basic at Ft Benning that told us that if you pick foliage and stick in your helmet it wilts and dies and turns brown and then you die. That's why you change it frequently - adapt to the environment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GITom1944 Posted June 16, 2014 Share #54 Posted June 16, 2014 U.S. troops frequently failed to employ the camouflage lessons taught in training & described in manuals during WW2. I think the need to change foliage regularly is one of the reasons it was seldom used. This type of camo makes more sense when troops are in static defensive positions. Since U.S. troops in WW2 were frequently on the offensive from late '43 on, and were frequently passing through varied types of terrain (hedgerow/city/forest/field, etc.), using local vegetation for camo was less practical. While rarely seen, here's an example of a soldier using some local vegetation in Normandy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GITom1944 Posted June 16, 2014 Share #55 Posted June 16, 2014 Also in Normandy, a tank destroyer crew with the 3rd Armored Division with vegetation in their camo nets. The vehicle provides good overhead cover but sort of undermines the benefit of the helmet camo... Tom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patches Posted June 16, 2014 Share #56 Posted June 16, 2014 Same wounded Pvt en route to the aid station. Oh yeah, now we're seeing it, scrim, and a lot of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manayunkman Posted June 16, 2014 Share #57 Posted June 16, 2014 Is scrim considered foliage ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patches Posted June 16, 2014 Share #58 Posted June 16, 2014 Is scrim considered foliage ? in a manner of speaking yes, as it is applied for the same purposes as leaves and grass, to blend in with the surroundings. Take like the troops in Panama in 1989. Or today in Afganistan with the 10th mountain Division. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patches Posted June 30, 2014 Share #59 Posted June 30, 2014 We always put foliage on our helmets & rucksacks when I was with 3-39th Infantry, 9th Infantry Division at Ft Lewis, WA in 1979. I have photos, but can't get them posted. We love to see those, what's the problem your having? I,m sure we can be of some help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patches Posted June 30, 2014 Share #60 Posted June 30, 2014 Would like to add this one of member edgeer and posted by him, taken during the Panama Operation in January 1990, here it shows the abundance of Scrim that was common to GIs of the 7th Inf Div then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seanmc1114 Posted June 30, 2014 Share #61 Posted June 30, 2014 Here's a couple from when my father was in AIT at Fort Polk, LA in 1967. First up is my father. With all of that camouflage, the white t-shirt sort of stands out as a target. The second one is another guy in his platoon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seanmc1114 Posted June 30, 2014 Share #62 Posted June 30, 2014 Next up are some infantryman of the 82nd Airborne Division in Vietnam - 1/505th Infantry. Even with all of that camouflage, they are still wearing full color 82nd patches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seanmc1114 Posted June 30, 2014 Share #63 Posted June 30, 2014 More from the 82nd Airborne in Vietnam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seanmc1114 Posted June 30, 2014 Share #64 Posted June 30, 2014 More from the 82nd in Vietnam. Again note the full color 82nd patch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seanmc1114 Posted June 30, 2014 Share #65 Posted June 30, 2014 More from the 82nd in Vietnam. Based on the load they are carrying, they are probably going out on a night ambush. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patches Posted June 30, 2014 Share #66 Posted June 30, 2014 You did it again Sean, great never before seen photos of the 1960s Inf AIT and the 3rd Bde 82nd Abn Div. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Posted June 30, 2014 Share #67 Posted June 30, 2014 Those Vietnam photos are amazing! J Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seanmc1114 Posted July 3, 2014 Share #68 Posted July 3, 2014 These next four pictures are screen shots from an official Army film on Fort Benning in the 60s I found on youtube. These particular soldiers are Infantry officer candidates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seanmc1114 Posted July 3, 2014 Share #69 Posted July 3, 2014 A couple of more from the same film Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USMC-RECON0321 Posted July 3, 2014 Share #70 Posted July 3, 2014 I've posted this before, but thought I would add it to this thread as an example of a confirmed alternative camouflage Vet bring back WWII US helmet. Painted GI Towel used as camouflage. Notice how the Hawley liner inside has formed around the wrinkles in the towel between the shell and liner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burning Hazard Posted July 3, 2014 Share #71 Posted July 3, 2014 Speaking of alternative camo covers, here's a photo of an extremely rare prototype winter camouflage cover with specially designed slits (for foliage?). Cover was possibly manufactured in Belgium by an unknown maker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabrejet Posted July 3, 2014 Author Share #72 Posted July 3, 2014 It'll never catch on! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sgtdorango Posted July 3, 2014 Share #73 Posted July 3, 2014 Ah yes the Doylie Brigade! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabrejet Posted July 3, 2014 Author Share #74 Posted July 3, 2014 Did we add this image yet? Strips of camo 'chute silk woven through a net over a Mitchell cover...triple whammy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabrejet Posted July 3, 2014 Author Share #75 Posted July 3, 2014 I replicated it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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