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Does anyone recognize the use and time period of these devices? I assume they are for wear by the Army. They are manufactured by NS Meyer. My thought is perhaps for wear on mess or medical uniforms.

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I know for certain that some high school Junior ROTC used these.

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Does anyone recognize the use and time period of these devices? I assume they are for wear by the Army. They are manufactured by NS Meyer. My thought is perhaps for wear on mess or medical uniforms.

 

The 22M MEYER mark is a post 1954 marking, outside of those large rank badges that where worn during the 50s on the Ridgeway caps and pile caps, I,ve never seen a smaller badge being worn on the collars, it seems to be Gold on Army Green ? if so It may be a rare type that was made in the late 50s early 60s for wear on the above mentioned caps

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When I was stationed at Camp Casey (Korea) with the 31st INF REGT, 7th INF DIV, our NCOs bought those at the P.X. to wear on their M-1 helmet liners, the dress ones painted glossy black with the Polar Bear one side of the helmet and the black hourglass on a red circle on the other. Some wore it on their pile-caps too, a frew on their Ridgeway caps. The South Koreans also made them on of thin sheets of brass salvaged from artillery shells. Former U.S.Army Pvt. (E-2) Herbert H. Booker II (RA 17 544 319) :think:

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When I was stationed at Camp Casey (Korea) with the 31st INF REGT, 7th INF DIV, our NCOs bought those at the P.X. to wear on their M-1 helmet liners, the dress ones painted glossy black with the Polar Bear one side of the helmet and the black hourglass on a red circle on the other. Some wore it on their pile-caps too, a frew on their Ridgeway caps. The South Koreans also made them on of thin sheets of brass salvaged from artillery shells. Former U.S.Army Pvt. (E-2) Herbert H. Booker II (RA 17 544 319) :think:

 

Good info booker but where do these 1920s-30s MARINE CORPS chevrons fit in :o

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Does anyone recognize the use and time period of these devices? I assume they are for wear by the Army. They are manufactured by NS Meyer. My thought is perhaps for wear on mess or medical uniforms.

 

Sean is the background Army Green or Dark Blue ? its difficult to see clearly because of the glare.

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Are the SFC stripes gold or silver? When I was a cadet at Camden Military Acad, (7th-12th grade), we wore NCO rank just like those. Silver with black enamel. I still have a box full of them somewhere. Privates wore the brass collar discs with the torch and had to polish them before the morning & evening formations. That's why most everyone wanted to make rank, 'cause you only had to wipe off those stripes.

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Are the SFC stripes gold or silver? When I was a cadet at Camden Military Acad, (7th-12th grade), we wore NCO rank just like those. Silver with black enamel. I still have a box full of them somewhere. Privates wore the brass collar discs with the torch and had to polish them before the morning & evening formations. That's why most everyone wanted to make rank, 'cause you only had to wipe off those stripes.

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They are gold from what I see, the background looks Army Green, but I not sure here, it could very well be Dark blue, the two colours will determin the time this was worn, if it is one that would have been worn by the U.S.Army. The fact that there are Two of them, do not necessarily mean that they where to be worn on collar points, metal insignia's excepting Qualification Badges often came on cards in pairs, for the simple reason that there would a spare or to be a value to buy, two for NEARLY the price of one.

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They are gold from what I see, the background looks Army Green, but I not sure here, it could very well be Dark blue, the two colours will determin the time this was worn, if it is one that would have been worn by the U.S.Army. The fact that there are Two of them, do not necessarily mean that they where to be worn on collar points, metal insignia's excepting Qualification Badges often came on cards in pairs, for the simple reason that there would a spare or to be a value to buy, two for NEARLY the price of one.

 

 

The same goes for the Gold on Army Green Helmet decals too. They came in pairs. The Metal ones in the photos look like the Gold om Army Green ones I have seen before. Robert

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I have a Specialist 8 pin made by the same company with a 9 in the top of the shield where this one has a 22. Mine is silver and black and measures 1 1/8 inch tall by 11.5/16 inch wide. I do not know what mine is either.


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The 22M MEYER mark is a post 1954 marking, outside of those large rank badges that where worn during the 50s on the Ridgeway caps and pile caps, I,ve never seen a smaller badge being worn on the collars, it seems to be Gold on Army Green ? if so It may be a rare type that was made in the late 50s early 60s for wear on the above mentioned caps

 

Allow me to correct my post above 22M is for post 1965 Meyer hallmarks, not post 1954, the 1954 on meyers will 9M, my great mistake,sorry guys. Though it is curisous why it is not M22 like the rest from this period IE V21, S21 etc,etc. so given that the background colour will be AG not blue.

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The same goes for the Gold on Army Green Helmet decals too. They came in pairs. The Metal ones in the photos look like the Gold om Army Green ones I have seen before. Robert

 

I just seen and realized my error in the hallmark date, I first put it between 1954-1965, I now seen that it is the post 65 hallmark so it will be a AG background, still interesting, maybe these where as someone else stated a type that was an experimental type for wear on some kind of uniform items like cooks white coats of Medical Corps white coats.

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For those who asked about the background color on these chevrons, it is definitely not Navy blue. It almost looks black to me so I am thinking Army green. It's really hard to tell the way the light shines on it.

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For those who asked about the background color on these chevrons, it is definitely not Navy blue. It almost looks black to me so I am thinking Army green. It's really hard to tell the way the light shines on it.

 

Hi sean. Do we take it then you do not have in hand these pins and that these one's you came across on the internet, posting only photos of them ?

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Hi sean. Do we take it then you do not have in hand these pins and that these one's you came across on the internet, posting only photos of them ?

No, I own these chevrons and have them in hand. The stripes are definitely gold. I am saying that by looking at them I cannot tell if the background color is a very dark Army green or black. It is definitely not Navy blue as someone asked before.

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No, I own these chevrons and have them in hand. The stripes are definitely gold. I am saying that by looking at them I cannot tell if the background color is a very dark Army green or black. It is definitely not Navy blue as someone asked before.

 

Right, I do not know for what they might be used on, I'd like to think that they may have been some kind of private alterative badge to where on white cooks shirts and medical coats but its hard to tell with out period fotos or any other info. The rank badges with black backgrounds are known, these normaly where the large types that where worn on Ridgeway and Pile caps in the late 50s early 60s. Iamki posted the other day a Spec 8 Small meyer marker rank badge with a black background, with silver highlights, I have seen the large Silver on Black army rank badges, like the SFC badges maybe they where as I said a type that a guy clould buy for semi official wear on white items. I don't know if an ROTC unit had there since the Specialists ranks where made as well, we'll see. I do have a few books with fotos of these large rank badges on caps but they are as you would guess Black and white.

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The background coloring on those definitely looks the same as mine. Thanks for the info and the link. It looks like others had the same idea as me that they may have been for cooks or medics to wear on their white uniforms.

 

I just stumbled across this photo from a link that was put up by Harlan over on the plain OD helmet cover topic in the helmets forum. Although it may be an unpainted pierced BEER CAN PIN it does look like at first glance the colored Spec ranks pins that are here in this topic .

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I just stumbled across this photo from a link that was put up by Harlan over on the plain OD helmet cover topic in the helmets forum. Although it may be an unpainted pierced BEER CAN PIN it does look like at first glance the colored Spec ranks pins that are here in this topic .

Thanks for the photo. I agree they look the same.

 

I have seen some early photos in some of the Vietnam unit yearbooks with NCO's wearing what appeared to be gold metal chevrons on their jungle jackets and usually in this same manner, perpendicular to the ground instead of centered between the V of the collar like they were later worn. It never crossed my mind that they may be the same insignia so I'll have to go pull those books and compare them.

 

By the way, the guy in your picture appears to be wearing a third pattern jungle jacket and merrowed edge 1st Infantry Division SSI so I'm thinking this picture may be from 1967 or later.

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