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This small squadron patch grouping came directly from Mr. Zimmerman of Shiremanstown, Pa. I met Mr. Zimmerman by accident one day. I was actually looking for another house when I knocked on his door. He directed me to one of his neighbors but before I left I asked him if he had ever served in the armed forces. He told me he had been a pilot in WW2 but was not ready to sell anything. So I gave him my card. He called me 12 years later and I bought this group. The patches are both 500th BS patches. The Flying Studs, with the horses appendage, was considered too riske and was changed to Rough Raiders. Hope you enjoy it

 

M

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12 years later, wow! Well done!

 

-Ski

In Memory Of......
Pte Harold Griffiths, 1805, 1/6th Manchester Regt, KIA June 4th, 1915 in Gallipoli
Cpl Isaac Judges, 40494, 6th East Yorkshire Regt, KIA October 3rd, 1917 in Ypres
May they rest in peace.....

MSgt - USAF Retired

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Corpsmancollector

Fantastic story and what a great grouping of items!

 

Will

WWII USMC & USN - CAMOUFLAGE / CORPSMAN / PARAMARINE / MARINE RAIDER / DENIM / DECK JACKETS.

 

VIETNAM - CAMOUFLAGE / SF / 'IN-COUNTRY' ITEMS.

 

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This small squadron patch grouping came directly from Mr. Zimmerman of Shiremanstown, Pa. I met Mr. Zimmerman by accident one day. I was actually looking for another house when I knocked on his door. He directed me to one of his neighbors but before I left I asked him if he had ever served in the armed forces. He told me he had been a pilot in WW2 but was not ready to sell anything. So I gave him my card. He called me 12 years later and I bought this group. The patches are both 500th BS patches. The Flying Studs, with the horses appendage, was considered too riske and was changed to Rough Raiders. Hope you enjoy it

 

M

 

Very nice collection!

 

A couple of trivia questions;

a.] Do have any idea how long that 'Flying Studs' insignia was around?

b.) Can you make out any tactical markings on the B-25 Mitchell photo?

 

Thanks,

Bob

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Johnny Signor

Are you sure of your iformation from the veteran on the "Flying Studs" patch , I only ask this as the emblem is identical other than the title for the 87th Bombardment Squadron of the 46th Bombardment Group , colors and emblem .

 

Unless they used the same emblem , they are the same design .

Just an observation.

Johnny

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This is a b&w copy of the insignia of the 87thBS that Johnny mentioned.

The similarities are apparent.

It was approved for use by the 87thBS(L) 0n 26 Aug 1942.

 

Bob

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The 87th insignia was used later in the 80s when the unit was reactivated as a Tactical Missile Sq. at RAF Molesworth. The offending appendage is not on the patch, otherwise it's the same design.

Randy

MSgt USAF (Ret)

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This is what makes this hobby so interesting. I have often gotten misinformation from vets and this certainly appears to be the case here too. Though the emblem is very similar and almost identical there are some differences. As you mentioned the "Motto" does not seem to be attached to the 87th. I have been searching the web all morning and can not find any reference of the "Motto" being attached to this unit. What photos I have found of the 87th patch are similar but different as far as the color scheme and placement of the colors is concerned. The 87th has 2 shades of red where the "Flying Studs" has only one shade of bright red surrounded by white. The 87th has a center color that is deep red or brownish maroon surrounded by red. But color scheme is not enough because artistic license often comes into play. Of course the " appendage" is another difference. None of the 87th animals are so well endowed as the " Flying Studs". As a matter of fact they are either mares or they have been gelded. Ouch. Finally Mr Zimmerman only flew B-25's. He trained in the US on B-25's. I have posted 2 photos of planes that he trained with. The 87th was an A-20 Havoc training unit and did some Sub searching as well. Zimmerman also told told me that the "Flying Studs" were very short lived. I have also found reference on line that "Rough Raiders" is the second pattern emblem for the 500th BS but no reference is given to the first pattern. And in addition I could not find "Flying Studs" as being attached to 500th BS in any way. So at this point nothing is concluded at least in my mind. Is there anyone else who could shed light on this subject ? I would love to get to the bottom of this.

 

M

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Thanks to all that have replied so far. I especially thank those of you who enjoy the hunt story. This aspect of collecting is perhaps the biggest thrill for me. I will continue to post groupings and the stories of how I came upon them.

 

Thanks to all.

 

M

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I live about 3 miles away from shiremanstown in mechanicsburg

 

Very nice I will PM you

 

M

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Tondelayo was in that outfit. I flew on her "reincarnation" owned by the Collings Foundation back in 2007. Definitely a good use for my $300 bucks.

Looking for the following:

452nd and 447th Bomb Group items

Anything 12th Armored- especially uniforms

155th Assault Helicopter Company, Camp Coryell, or Ban Me Thuot Vietnam items[/center]


WWII US Navy Uniforms from the Battle Off Samar: USS Johnston DD-557, USS Hoel DD-553, USS Samuel B. Roberts DE-413, USS Heermann DD-532, USS Dennis DE-405, USS John C. Butler DE-339, USS Raymond DE-341, USS Fanshaw Bay St. Lo, White Plains, Kalinin Bay, Kitkun Bay and Gambier Bay...


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This small squadron patch grouping came directly from Mr. Zimmerman of Shiremanstown, Pa. I met Mr. Zimmerman by accident one day. I was actually looking for another house when I knocked on his door. He directed me to one of his neighbors but before I left I asked him if he had ever served in the armed forces. He told me he had been a pilot in WW2 but was not ready to sell anything. So I gave him my card. He called me 12 years later and I bought this group. The patches are both 500th BS patches. The Flying Studs, with the horses appendage, was considered too riske and was changed to Rough Raiders. Hope you enjoy it

 

M

 

Sweet group!Judging from all of your posts,you have quite an impressive collection M!Keep it coming,we love seeing your stuff! :bravo:

High Flight

Oh, I have slipped the surly bonds of earth

And danced the skies on laughter-silver wings;

Sunward I've climbed and joined the tumbling mirth

Of sun-split clouds - and done a hundred things

You have not dreamed of - wheeled and soared and swung

High in the sunlit silence. Hovering there

I've chased the shouting wind along and flung

My eager craft through footless halls of air.

Up, up the long delirious, burning blue

I've topped the wind-swept heights with easy grace,

where never lark, or even eagle flew;

and while, with silent, lifting mind I've trod

The high untrespassed sanctity of space,

Put out my hand, and touched the face of God.

 

John Gillespie Magee, Jr.

June 9, 1922 – December 11, 1941

 

 

 

" And each man stands with his face in the light of his own drawn sword. Ready to do what a hero can." - Elizabeth Barrett Browning

 

 

Don't let the B@stards wear you down -"Vinegar" Joe Stillwell

 

 

Reasonable people adapt themselves to the world.Unreasonable

people attempt to adapt the world to themselves.All progress,

therefore, depends on unreasonable people.

George Bernard Shaw

 

 

" Don't piss down my back and tell me it's raining" , Fletcher,from the movie "The outlaw Josey Wales"

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Sweet group!Judging from all of your posts,you have quite an impressive collection M!Keep it coming,we love seeing your stuff! :bravo:

 

Patchcollector,

 

I have spent the last 23 years door knocking in ernest. I have found some nice groupings but I have not been able to keep them all :crybaby: :mad: :( In the past 5 years I have sold off quite a bit due to personal reasons but kept photos of the stuff. Thanks for your support.

 

M

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Patchcollector,

 

I have spent the last 23 years door knocking in ernest. I have found some nice groupings but I have not been able to keep them all :crybaby: :mad: :( In the past 5 years I have sold off quite a bit due to personal reasons but kept photos of the stuff. Thanks for your support.

 

M

 

 

Wow!I like your enthusiasm! :w00t: I should try doing that too!I live in an area that is loaded with retired people,alot of them Vets!

High Flight

Oh, I have slipped the surly bonds of earth

And danced the skies on laughter-silver wings;

Sunward I've climbed and joined the tumbling mirth

Of sun-split clouds - and done a hundred things

You have not dreamed of - wheeled and soared and swung

High in the sunlit silence. Hovering there

I've chased the shouting wind along and flung

My eager craft through footless halls of air.

Up, up the long delirious, burning blue

I've topped the wind-swept heights with easy grace,

where never lark, or even eagle flew;

and while, with silent, lifting mind I've trod

The high untrespassed sanctity of space,

Put out my hand, and touched the face of God.

 

John Gillespie Magee, Jr.

June 9, 1922 – December 11, 1941

 

 

 

" And each man stands with his face in the light of his own drawn sword. Ready to do what a hero can." - Elizabeth Barrett Browning

 

 

Don't let the B@stards wear you down -"Vinegar" Joe Stillwell

 

 

Reasonable people adapt themselves to the world.Unreasonable

people attempt to adapt the world to themselves.All progress,

therefore, depends on unreasonable people.

George Bernard Shaw

 

 

" Don't piss down my back and tell me it's raining" , Fletcher,from the movie "The outlaw Josey Wales"

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Wow!I like your enthusiasm! :w00t: I should try doing that too!I live in an area that is loaded with retired people,alot of them Vets!

 

Approaching strangers is a numbers game. It used to be about 1 out of 100 produced. The odds are slightly worse now since my main interest was WW2.

 

M

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  • 8 years later...

Nice Air Apache group.

 

JD

AAF Collector...........
**Always Buying WW2 Aviation Related Items: Especially Operation Tidal Wave items (1st Ploesti Raid) ..... WW2 Fighter Ace Related Items.....Higher End A-2 Flight Jacket Groups....AAF Related Valor Medal Groups**

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