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I just picked this holster up Friday at the flea market. No marks on it other than the Marines name stamped on the inside and USMC on the flap. Was this for a mounted Marine ? Is it rare ? Been collecting for 40 + years and never had one before.

 

Thanks for your help

 

M.

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Sabrejet,

 

Nice sense of humor. :huh: You wouldn't happen to live near Shropshire which is near Whales ?

 

Why is this holster configured this way ? What purpose did it serve ?

 

M

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El Bibliotecario

see pp 363-367 of E S Meadows'US MILITARY HOLSTERS AND PISTOL CARTRIDGE BOXES for information, as well as photos of pre-WW1 marines wearing this pattern holster.

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see pp 363-367 of E S Meadows'US MILITARY HOLSTERS AND PISTOL CARTRIDGE BOXES for information, as well as photos of pre-WW1 marines wearing this pattern holster.

 

I do not own this book but I sure would like to know what it says.

 

Thanks

 

M

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The asking price for ones that look quite beat up is $750-800 these days. Here's a an ebay sale from a few years back:

 

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Thank you for posting this. I knew this was rare but in an uninformed way.

 

Thanks

 

M

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My Great Uncle, Private Peter George Green, Co. B, 13th Marines wearing one of these holsters in France 1918.

 

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Great photo. I love his boots. Rubber ?

 

Why was this holster made this way anyone know ?

 

M

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Sabrejet,

 

Nice sense of humor. :huh: You wouldn't happen to live near Shropshire which is near Whales ?

 

Why is this holster configured this way ? What purpose did it serve ?

 

M

 

 

Whales live in the ocean...I live in Wales ;) Shropshire is just across the border in England, about a couple of hours north of here.

I'm sure the USMC and gun guys can answer your question better than I.

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The holster is on a swivel so it will hang straight down when seated on a horse. Having the pistol hanging straight down makes it easier to draw the pistol when you need to use it to shoot bad guys.

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The holster is on a swivel so it will hang straight down when seated on a horse. Having the pistol hanging straight down makes it easier to draw the pistol when you need to use it to shoot bad guys.

This holster has no swivel.

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Correct, no swivel. I have heard various explanations for the holster, it was designed so that the flap could be curled back over and snapped upside down on the stud exposing the pistol for quicker use (sort of a military fast draw) and hung lower on the body so it was easier to draw quickly. I had one many years ago and it does make it much easier to draw in an emergency although of course it is much less secure. Possibly some of the holster gurus can give a more definitive explanation for this holster design.

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A mounted marine? Sea-horses?! ;):lol:

Not so fast Sabrejet....there were "Mounted Marines". They were referred to as "Horse Marines". They guarded Marine Depot's and other Marine Facilities. I have a collection of Artwork from "The Unknown Marine Corps Artist of Guadalcanal" who was later identified as Elmer Smith. His brother lives four houses down from me and has given me his military items. Including a book of drawings from WWII and some are from when he served in the Horse Marines. Very unique and very sharp looking rigs....meaning the saddle set up and all the horse gear and the Marine uniform worn while on duty.

Thus...Mounted Marines. :D

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Whales live in the ocean...I live in Wales ;) Shropshire is just across the border in England, about a couple of hours north of here.

I'm sure the USMC and gun guys can answer your question better than I.

Whales and sea horses live together. Just trying to get you back. All in fun.

 

M

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Not so fast Sabrejet....there were "Mounted Marines". They were referred to as "Horse Marines". They guarded Marine Depot's and other Marine Facilities. I have a collection of Artwork from "The Unknown Marine Corps Artist of Guadalcanal" who was later identified as Elmer Smith. His brother lives four houses down from me and has given me his military items. Including a book of drawings from WWII and some are from when he served in the Horse Marines. Very unique and very sharp looking rigs....meaning the saddle set up and all the horse gear and the Marine uniform worn while on duty.

Thus...Mounted Marines. :D

 

 

I learn something new each day on this forum! :thumbsup:

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As Sabrejet pointed out this holster is usually (or officially?) called "M1912 dismounted holster" just because swivel was quite weak and unuseful for people having no horse. The Army version is real scarce and up to now the few I've examined were all made by HOYT and dated 1918, but the USMC model is a real hen toot. Note that Army and USMC dismounted are not identical. if you look at the back you can see Army model has the usual leatjher attachement for the belt hook riveted and stitched and flap integral with the body while the USMC model is exactly the opposite, integral hook attachement and stitched flap. I cannot see a decent reason for that. Moreover this latter shows no manufacturer markings or year. Both holsters have a riveted steel plate bent as a tube to preserve leather from friction with the hook as in early M1910 gears. In the pics my Army Hoyt dismounted when appeared years ago on ebay and an USMC from some web page.

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Thanks artu44. I have a better understanding of this rare piece of equipment. Can I ask you what the expression " hen toot " means ? I am not familiar with it.

 

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M

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Thanks artu44. I have a better understanding of this rare piece of equipment. Can I ask you what the expression " hen toot " means ? I am not familiar with it.

 

Thanks

 

M

 

A hen's tooth or better yet duck's lips. Hard to find!

I believe the USMC depot made the holsters hence no markings.

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BTW IMHO the USMC dismounted must be a pre WWI issue cause it has features you can find in the regular M1912 (i.e. the leg strap with buckle but quite strangely no drain grommet) while the Army version. being born when the M1916 was the regular production, it's simply an M1916 assembled with this peculiar attachement. If you'll tear away the attachement you'll have an ordinary M1916 body from WWI era.

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