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Hello,

New to this site and have learned a ton!!! I mainly collect US helmets, but like many collectors, I come into other military items outside what I know best and need help. This brings me to my first post... I purchased this holster the other day along with a great 1942 dated Sears 45 holster. Upon further inspection of the cross flap US Holster I found a very faint stamp on the rear of the holster showing the Army Air Force insignia and underneath it is stamped "Army Air Forces" also another smaller mark further down I can not make out. Now this is a well made holster but I thought at first because in such nice unused condition it has to be a reproduction, but after finding the faint markings I just don't know what to think. It also has the name "Rex Wells" punch stamped in the back, don't know if that has any meaning other than an owners name at one time. I've looked at the reproductions on line and can't find any made like this, one distinction I've found is none of the repops have the small drain hole in the lower rear side like this one. I would sure appreciate any help on this.

Thanks and Semper-FI

 

Sorry, I reduced my camera as far as it will let me and it is still to large to attach a picture on this site. If anyone thinks they can help I'll email pics direct to you.


USMC 2/2 Fox Co 0311 & 1st Recon Bn Delta Co. 0321. 1986 - 1995 (Desert Storm 90/91)

US Army Long Range Surveillance Co F 425th INF ABN LRS Team 1-6 2003 - 2005 (Iraqi Freedom 03/04)

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I've closely examined zillions of m1916s and as far as I know I cannt remember one repro so marked but only originals. Of course a pic of markings would clarify everything. Anyway the faker's weak point are fonts of marking so if your holster has markings like mine. it's a genuine WWII era.

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Hello,

New to this site and have learned a ton!!! I mainly collect US helmets, but like many collectors, I come into other military items outside what I know best and need help. This brings me to my first post... I purchased this holster the other day along with a great 1942 dated Sears 45 holster. Upon further inspection of the cross flap US Holster I found a very faint stamp on the rear of the holster showing the Army Air Force insignia and underneath it is stamped "Army Air Forces" also another smaller mark further down I can not make out. Now this is a well made holster but I thought at first because in such nice unused condition it has to be a reproduction, but after finding the faint markings I just don't know what to think. It also has the name "Rex Wells" punch stamped in the back, don't know if that has any meaning other than an owners name at one time. I've looked at the reproductions on line and can't find any made like this, one distinction I've found is none of the repops have the small drain hole in the lower rear side like this one. I would sure appreciate any help on this.

Thanks and Semper-FI

 

Sorry, I reduced my camera as far as it will let me and it is still to large to attach a picture on this site. If anyone thinks they can help I'll email pics direct to you.

 

 

Okay, I think I can get some pictures of the holster up now. post-33000-1316005688.jpg I will try to get better ones on.


USMC 2/2 Fox Co 0311 & 1st Recon Bn Delta Co. 0321. 1986 - 1995 (Desert Storm 90/91)

US Army Long Range Surveillance Co F 425th INF ABN LRS Team 1-6 2003 - 2005 (Iraqi Freedom 03/04)

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Okay, I think I can get some pictures of the holster up now. post-33000-1316005688.jpg I will try to get better ones on.

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USMC 2/2 Fox Co 0311 & 1st Recon Bn Delta Co. 0321. 1986 - 1995 (Desert Storm 90/91)

US Army Long Range Surveillance Co F 425th INF ABN LRS Team 1-6 2003 - 2005 (Iraqi Freedom 03/04)

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US Army Long Range Surveillance Co F 425th INF ABN LRS Team 1-6 2003 - 2005 (Iraqi Freedom 03/04)

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Here is a picture of the stamp on the rear of the holster. Very hard to see.post-33000-1316006605.jpg


USMC 2/2 Fox Co 0311 & 1st Recon Bn Delta Co. 0321. 1986 - 1995 (Desert Storm 90/91)

US Army Long Range Surveillance Co F 425th INF ABN LRS Team 1-6 2003 - 2005 (Iraqi Freedom 03/04)

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MY GOD!!!!!!!!!!! The holster in the pic is a modern replica of the M2 holster for the M1917 revolver. It was originally made only in 1942 and only by FINK and TEX TAN and never by Sears. Two years later, in 1944, Sears made the M4 hloster for the same revolver but they are undated.


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Hello,

New to this site and have learned a ton!!! I mainly collect US helmets, but like many collectors, I come into other military items outside what I know best and need help. This brings me to my first post... I purchased this holster the other day along with a great 1942 dated Sears 45 holster. Upon further inspection of the cross flap US Holster I found a very faint stamp on the rear of the holster showing the Army Air Force insignia and underneath it is stamped "Army Air Forces" also another smaller mark further down I can not make out. Now this is a well made holster but I thought at first because in such nice unused condition it has to be a reproduction, but after finding the faint markings I just don't know what to think. It also has the name "Rex Wells" punch stamped in the back, don't know if that has any meaning other than an owners name at one time. I've looked at the reproductions on line and can't find any made like this, one distinction I've found is none of the repops have the small drain hole in the lower rear side like this one. I would sure appreciate any help on this.

Thanks and Semper-FI

 

Sorry, I reduced my camera as far as it will let me and it is still to large to attach a picture on this site. If anyone thinks they can help I'll email pics direct to you.

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USMC 2/2 Fox Co 0311 & 1st Recon Bn Delta Co. 0321. 1986 - 1995 (Desert Storm 90/91)

US Army Long Range Surveillance Co F 425th INF ABN LRS Team 1-6 2003 - 2005 (Iraqi Freedom 03/04)

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MY GOD!!!!!!!!!!! The holster in the pic is a modern replica of the M2 holster for the M1917 revolver. It was originally made only in 1942 and only by FINK and TEX TAN and never by Sears. Two years later, in 1944, Sears made the M4 hloster for the same revolver but they are undated.

 

I don't think this one is a Sears holster, I might have been confusing in my original post, but what I meant to say is I purchased this holster along with a Sears holster, so two holsters. The one I have pictured is the one I don't know what to think with the markings??

Thanks


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US Army Long Range Surveillance Co F 425th INF ABN LRS Team 1-6 2003 - 2005 (Iraqi Freedom 03/04)

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I don't think this one is a Sears holster, I might have been confusing in my original post, but what I meant to say is I purchased this holster along with a Sears holster, so two holsters. The one I have pictured is the one I don't know what to think with the markings??

Thanks

 

 

Also, no dates found on this holster or a maker mark as far as I can tell. Just the AAF mark and the stamped name of Rex Wells. I'll add more pictures


USMC 2/2 Fox Co 0311 & 1st Recon Bn Delta Co. 0321. 1986 - 1995 (Desert Storm 90/91)

US Army Long Range Surveillance Co F 425th INF ABN LRS Team 1-6 2003 - 2005 (Iraqi Freedom 03/04)

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MY GOD!!!!!!!!!!! The holster in the pic is a modern replica of the M2 holster for the M1917 revolver. It was originally made only in 1942 and only by FINK and TEX TAN and never by Sears. Two years later, in 1944, Sears made the M4 hloster for the same revolver but they are undated.

 

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USMC 2/2 Fox Co 0311 & 1st Recon Bn Delta Co. 0321. 1986 - 1995 (Desert Storm 90/91)

US Army Long Range Surveillance Co F 425th INF ABN LRS Team 1-6 2003 - 2005 (Iraqi Freedom 03/04)

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You can use this repro just as utility holster for your 45 revolver but take it away from your collection.


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Repro or not, it looks like a well-made piece to me...superior quality.


"We shall defend our island, whatever the cost may be. We shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender!"

 

Winston Churchill

" Life is what happens to you when you're busy making other plans."

John Winston Lennon

 

 

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You can use this repro just as utility holster for your 45 revolver but take it away from your collection.

 

Thanks for your help and confirmation on this, I had a feeling it was a repro, but the old markings had me 2nd guessing. But again, I'm not a holster guy.

 

Semper FI

Troy


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US Army Long Range Surveillance Co F 425th INF ABN LRS Team 1-6 2003 - 2005 (Iraqi Freedom 03/04)

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Repro or not, it looks like a well-made piece to me...superior quality.

 

 

Yes, it is very well made with nice heavy leather.


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US Army Long Range Surveillance Co F 425th INF ABN LRS Team 1-6 2003 - 2005 (Iraqi Freedom 03/04)

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What about this holster indicates it's repro?

 

That's what I was trying to find out and looking for the expertise from this site??? And why such a faint AAF Mark found on the back??


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US Army Long Range Surveillance Co F 425th INF ABN LRS Team 1-6 2003 - 2005 (Iraqi Freedom 03/04)

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What about this holster indicates it's repro?

I agree that it is a repro, and a newly made repro. It is hand stitched. The stamp was made buy melting the lead out of a belt buckle then clamping to the leather while wet. Look at the edge of the flap. IMO if it was 65 plus years old I believe the edges would be more burnished. You should be able to smell the leather and find that it has a pretty strong leather odor. 65 yr old leather will not smell.


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What about this holster indicates it's repro?

 

Thats a legitimate question. If Arturo hadn't spoken first, I'd have kept my mouth shut, but my initial gut feeling upon seeing the photos was that it was a reproduction. I have a number of reproduction holsters myself and the holster in the photo looks to be of the same quality. In my opinion, a top-of-the-line reproduction holster (such as those made by El Paso Saddlery) is often better quality than original USGI examples. Another point, is the color. It looks more cordovan than brown--althoug I suppose some WW2-era Beau Brummel could have done that. It also looks too new, and not beat up enough.

 

But the bottom line is, that like so much of this junk, it's just a 'feeling' based on years of handling the real thing--which is why I put a lot of weight on the opinion of an experienced holster affectionado such as Arturo. I'd note that when I sent him photos of a few of my pistols with unidentified reproduction holsters in the background, he immediatelly spotted them as reproductions--*laff*--and castigated me for my bad taste.

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Thanks for your help and confirmation on this, I had a feeling it was a repro, but the old markings had me 2nd guessing. But again, I'm not a holster guy.

 

Semper FI

Troy

 

 

Compare this holster with originals and you'll realize immediately the difference. Accurate stitching and cotton thread.

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Thats a legitimate question. If Arturo hadn't spoken first, I'd have kept my mouth shut, but my initial gut feeling upon seeing the photos was that it was a reproduction. I have a number of reproduction holsters myself and the holster in the photo looks to be of the same quality. In my opinion, a top-of-the-line reproduction holster (such as those made by El Paso Saddlery) is often better quality than original USGI examples. Another point, is the color. It looks more cordovan than brown--althoug I suppose some WW2-era Beau Brummel could have done that. It also looks too new, and not beat up enough.

 

But the bottom line is, that like so much of this junk, it's just a 'feeling' based on years of handling the real thing--which is why I put a lot of weight on the opinion of an experienced holster affectionado such as Arturo. I'd note that when I sent him photos of a few of my pistols with unidentified reproduction holsters in the background, he immediatelly spotted them as reproductions--*laff*--and castigated me for my bad taste.

 

 

 

Shame on you Bib!!!!! Look how nice are originals at the range in place of your terrible leather stuff. They lasted 90 years so they can survive also few trips to the range. My guns shoot much better if they can travel with their original companion leathers.

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Hello!

Just a last little note: the Air Force markings are the result of tons of fake stamps offered for sale everywhere...You can buy on eBay all sort of rubber and iron stamps to fake leather items, canvas items and even the wood of rifles and carbines. And the worst is that often they are well made and somewhat difficult to identify as fakes...

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Hello!

Just a last little note: the Air Force markings are the result of tons of fake stamps offered for sale everywhere...You can buy on eBay all sort of rubber and iron stamps to fake leather items, canvas items and even the wood of rifles and carbines. And the worst is that often they are well made and somewhat difficult to identify as fakes...

Fausto

 

Not mention of Waffenamt.........


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I agree that it is a repro, and a newly made repro. It is hand stitched. The stamp was made buy melting the lead out of a belt buckle then clamping to the leather while wet. Look at the edge of the flap. IMO if it was 65 plus years old I believe the edges would be more burnished. You should be able to smell the leather and find that it has a pretty strong leather odor. 65 yr old leather will not smell.

 

 

Okay, okay,,,, I'll throw this thing in the trash!!! Just kidding. I didn't pay much and just thought it was a nice holster. Actually the marks on the rear I didn't even see until taking it outside in the sunlight, matter-of-fact, the seller never mentioned them and I don't believe he knew they were there. As far as the leather smell, not much of an odor at all, but definitely looks like cotton stitching. I will just display as a reproduction example until next years garage sale!!!


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I agree that it is a repro, and a newly made repro. It is hand stitched. The stamp was made buy melting the lead out of a belt buckle then clamping to the leather while wet. Look at the edge of the flap. IMO if it was 65 plus years old I believe the edges would be more burnished. You should be able to smell the leather and find that it has a pretty strong leather odor. 65 yr old leather will not smell.

 

 

Ronnie,

Just a thought here, but,,, If someone heated up a belt buckle stamped with the AAF emblem and pressed it onto the leather of the holster to make the stamp on the back, wouldn't it come out backwards on the leather??? It would read "SECROF RIA YMRA" instead of "ARMY AIR FORCES" :think:


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US Army Long Range Surveillance Co F 425th INF ABN LRS Team 1-6 2003 - 2005 (Iraqi Freedom 03/04)

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