1917enfield Posted September 4, 2011 Share #1 Posted September 4, 2011 I got this today based on the bullion patch. I'm a sucker for bullion . After arriving home I did some research and I really can't make out what is under the bird. I need some help from the guru's. Comments are welcomed. Thanks, FOUND IT...Chief Commissary Steward Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OD MAN Posted September 4, 2011 Share #2 Posted September 4, 2011 It's either Commissaryman or Commissary Stewart. Justin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OD MAN Posted September 4, 2011 Share #3 Posted September 4, 2011 FYI the symbol is two keys leaning against each other over a feather. Justin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1917enfield Posted September 5, 2011 Author Share #4 Posted September 5, 2011 Two keys itself is a storekeeper but are "crossed" not interlocking at the top...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1917enfield Posted September 5, 2011 Author Share #5 Posted September 5, 2011 Found it.....Commissary Steward!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Hudson Posted September 5, 2011 Share #6 Posted September 5, 2011 That was a Chief Commissary Steward rating - the Commissaryman rating later became Mess Management Specialist and even later Culinary Specialist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1917enfield Posted September 5, 2011 Author Share #7 Posted September 5, 2011 So it's obsolete? What does the (3) stripes in the sleeve mean? That was a Chief Commissary Steward rating - the Commissaryman rating later became Mess Management Specialist and even later Culinary Specialist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEABEEBRIAN Posted September 5, 2011 Share #8 Posted September 5, 2011 It's been obsolete since 1973 The 3 stripes are service stripes for 12 years of service. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlaterDoc Posted September 5, 2011 Share #9 Posted September 5, 2011 So it's obsolete? What does the (3) stripes in the sleeve mean? and the stripes are called "hash marks" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sigsaye Posted September 5, 2011 Share #10 Posted September 5, 2011 The uniform itself was dropped in 1975. Steve Hesson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sigsaye Posted September 5, 2011 Share #11 Posted September 5, 2011 Just to be clear, the uniform belonged to a Chief "Cook". The name of the rate has changed several times, as has the insignia, but they were still all cooks. Also, this is not an officers uniform. Chief Petty Officers were authorized this uniform from 1940 until 1975. An officers version of this coat would have two cloth loops on each shoulder to hold the shoulder boards. Steve Hesson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpcsdan Posted September 10, 2011 Share #12 Posted September 10, 2011 Just to be clear, the uniform belonged to a Chief "Cook". The name of the rate has changed several times, as has the insignia, but they were still all cooks. Also, this is not an officers uniform. Chief Petty Officers were authorized this uniform from 1940 until 1975. An officers version of this coat would have two cloth loops on each shoulder to hold the shoulder boards. Steve Hesson I hadn't "made chief" by 1975, but once I did make chief I heard from other chief's that it was a very comfortable uniform. -dan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1917enfield Posted September 10, 2011 Author Share #13 Posted September 10, 2011 It is softer then my Army and AF coats I hadn't "made chief" by 1975, but once I did make chief I heard from other chief's that it was a very comfortable uniform.-dan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curio bill Posted October 29, 2011 Share #14 Posted October 29, 2011 I'm a little confused, iT is a great looking coat, but Is it a ww2, a Korean or post Vietnam era uniform? Can anyone narrow down the 35 yr age range? Thanks, bill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted October 29, 2011 Share #15 Posted October 29, 2011 Is it a ww2, a Korean or post Vietnam era uniform? The answer is: YES These are extremely hard to narrow down the time period as they didn't change the style for 35+ years. Same with the service dress blue and choker white uniforms...the only way you can tell the age difference is if there's a date in the pocket and/or by the construction/materials of the uniform. These are supposed to be "out in the fleet" as an authorized uniform by the end of 2012. I haven't paid attention to the date changes (if any at all) since I left active duty though... Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sigsaye Posted October 29, 2011 Share #16 Posted October 29, 2011 The answer is: YES These are extremely hard to narrow down the time period as they didn't change the style for 35+ years. Same with the service dress blue and choker white uniforms...the only way you can tell the age difference is if there's a date in the pocket and/or by the construction/materials of the uniform. These are supposed to be "out in the fleet" as an authorized uniform by the end of 2012. I haven't paid attention to the date changes (if any at all) since I left active duty though... Dave To add to what Dave said, the rating badge and hashmarks appear to be post WW 2. So, anytime from say '49(ish) to '75. The coat could have been made any time. Steve Hesson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curio bill Posted October 29, 2011 Share #17 Posted October 29, 2011 To add to what Dave said, the rating badge and hashmarks appear to be post WW 2. So, anytime from say '49(ish) to '75. The coat could have been made any time. Steve Hesson Thanks guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curio bill Posted October 29, 2011 Share #18 Posted October 29, 2011 The answer is: YES These are extremely hard to narrow down the time period as they didn't change the style for 35+ years. Same with the service dress blue and choker white uniforms...the only way you can tell the age difference is if there's a date in the pocket and/or by the construction/materials of the uniform. These are supposed to be "out in the fleet" as an authorized uniform by the end of 2012. I haven't paid attention to the date changes (if any at all) since I left active duty though... Dave Smart..... :thumbsup: , but I do understand what you're saying, Thanks But do you also mean they are changing the chief's uniform in 2012?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin B. Posted October 29, 2011 Share #19 Posted October 29, 2011 These are supposed to be "out in the fleet" as an authorized uniform by the end of 2012. I haven't paid attention to the date changes (if any at all) since I left active duty though... Yes although they won't be quite the same, the decision was made to give the SDK a more "contemporary" look with Army-style peaked lapels and no "belt" at the waist. The traditional style still looks plenty good to me, but I guess that's what the fleet said it wanted. Justin B. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted October 29, 2011 Share #20 Posted October 29, 2011 But do you also mean they are changing the chief's uniform in 2012?? Here's the MCPON (the previous one) wearing the new-fangled khaki uniform. Basically the same thing that started this thread... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEABEEBRIAN Posted October 29, 2011 Share #21 Posted October 29, 2011 They aren't changing it, its becoming optional. I wish they had kept the Aviation Working Greens though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin B. Posted October 29, 2011 Share #22 Posted October 29, 2011 Just for comparison with the test uniform in post #20, here is the service dress khaki finally adopted, as worn by recently retired Admiral Mullen. Note differences in lapels, waist belt and pocket flap shapes. Does anyone know if the previous-style khaki rating badge with silver crow and mark will be authorized? Justin B. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEABEEBRIAN Posted October 29, 2011 Share #23 Posted October 29, 2011 Just for comparison with the test uniform in post #20, here is the service dress khaki finally adopted, as worn by recently retired Admiral Mullen. Note differences in lapels, waist belt and pocket flap shapes. Does anyone know if the previous-style khaki rating badge with silver crow and mark will be authorized? Justin B. Yes it will, the regulations haven't been published yet though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted October 29, 2011 Share #24 Posted October 29, 2011 They aren't changing it, its becoming optional. I wish they had kept the Aviation Working Greens though. Most of my buddies didn't wear it, other than on "aviator Friday", and even at that, it was rarely worn. The Navy went through a bunch of song-and-dance about getting rid of uniforms, but now we're back to the same and now get to wear yet ANOTHER uniform! I literally had 23 uniforms and jackets in my closet at one time...pretty silly (9 completely separate uniforms and duplicates, not to count the silly looking official PT gear...) Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sigsaye Posted October 30, 2011 Share #25 Posted October 30, 2011 Quite honestly, I don't see any reason for this new uniform. It started life as a working uniform for office people, and evolved in the '40s into a liberty uniform to wear instead of whites. By the early 70s, since uniforms were no longer worn on liberrty, and this sort of uniform was no longer worn as a working uniform (BTW same story for the Aviation Greens), it had no reason to exsist. Don't see much has changed, what is the reason for this uniform? Steve Hesson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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