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This may not be worth anything but there were 72 SP5 with a 11B mos whoe died in vietnam


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CW2 Bernard E Meister 2/14/70

334th AHC 69/70 189th AHC 67/68 155th AHC 67

TAC Officer 1968 Fort Wolters

USMC 1956-1959

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The armor units ? the 2nd armored division ? These barracks, filled with ghosts of soldiers past.

 

 

Not sure what Armor units were out there.

 

Obviously not a Division, maybe some detachment to support the schools.


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This may not be worth anything but there were 72 SP5 with a 11B mos whoe died in vietnam

 

May we kindly ask where you got this from ?

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May we kindly ask where you got this from ?

From a data base concerning the deaths of Vietnam veterans. The data base contains both rank and MOS of those who passed away. I limited the query to only Army Spec 5 and up and only MOS in the 11B faimily. There was only 1 Spec 6 with a 11B mos who died in Vietnam.

 

As a side note I am working with 2 data bases to extract statistics that we dont generally see posted on the web or mentioned in documents.


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CW2 Bernard E Meister 2/14/70

334th AHC 69/70 189th AHC 67/68 155th AHC 67

TAC Officer 1968 Fort Wolters

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Here is one example

 

Arthur Michael Day

Home of Record: Levittown, PA

Date of birth: 07/18/1948

 

MILITARY DATA

Service: Army of the United States

Grade at loss: E5

Rank: Specialist Five

ID No: 11868424

MOS: 11B20: Infantryman

Length Service: 01

Unit: D CO, 4TH BN, 47TH INFANTRY, 9TH INF DIV, USARV

 

CASUALTY DATA

Start Tour: 11/27/1968

Incident Date: 05/08/1969

Casualty Date: 05/08/1969

Age at Loss: 20

Location: Kien Hoa Province, South Vietnam

Remains: Body recovered

Casualty Type: Hostile, died outright

Casualty Reason: Ground casualty

Casualty Detail: Other explosive device


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CW2 Bernard E Meister 2/14/70

334th AHC 69/70 189th AHC 67/68 155th AHC 67

TAC Officer 1968 Fort Wolters

USMC 1956-1959

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Arthur Michael Day

Home of Record: Levittown, PA

Date of birth: 07/18/1948

 

MILITARY DATA

Service: Army of the United States

Grade at loss: E5

Rank: Specialist Five

ID No: 11868424

MOS: 11B20: Infantryman

Length Service: 01

Unit: D CO, 4TH BN, 47TH INFANTRY, 9TH INF DIV, USARV

 

CASUALTY DATA

Start Tour: 11/27/1968

Incident Date: 05/08/1969

Casualty Date: 05/08/1969

Age at Loss: 20

Location: Kien Hoa Province, South Vietnam

Remains: Body recovered

Casualty Type: Hostile, died outright

Casualty Reason: Ground casualty

Casualty Detail: Other explosive device

 

Interresting, could you direct us to the site, from what I found the virtual wall does not appear to have a search by rank feature. i would really like to see more of the 72 Spec 5s and the one Spec 6.

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Not sure what Armor units were out there.

 

Obviously not a Division, maybe some detachment to support the schools.

 

Well in the 50s up to 1965 you had at one point the 3rd Inf Div followed by the 2nd Inf Div, which was joined by the reactvated 11th Abn Div, with the`11th Abn Div it was redisignated as Air assault droping its Airborne designator, however it was only about brigade stregnth in accual size. It was at these barracks that some elemnets of these units must have been stationed.

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Interresting, could you direct us to the site, from what I found the virtual wall does not appear to have a search by rank feature. i would really like to see more of the 72 Spec 5s and the one Spec 6.

ok heres the catch, your right there is no search by rank. you have to be creative. pop me off an email and i can send you one list that I work fromI am still crossing over information but I find the army rank i m interested in the query my file on mos, I then just look at home town and panel number and unti information to make sure I have a match from this link.

http://thewall-usa.com/index.asp#search

 

then I take the name to the virtual wall to make sure I have the correct profile.

PS You also have to check if they were not posthumsly promoted


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334th AHC 69/70 189th AHC 67/68 155th AHC 67

TAC Officer 1968 Fort Wolters

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Take your time here is your sp5s, the sp6 was a spec4 with a posthumus promotion

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Home st birth rank svc mos OPERATION EVENT VEHICLE INCIDENT CASDATE RETURN IDENTIFY CAS1 CAS2 CAS3 PROV CTRY BODY PANL LINE UNIT VWLINK

SPRINGFIELD MA 11/12/1948 SP5 A 11B20 HILL 714 NW FSB VEGHEL MAY1970 05/08/1970 05/08/1970 A1 D 7 02 VS Y 10W 002 A CO, 2ND BN, 502ND INFANTRY, 101ST ABN DIV, USARV

BELLPORT NY 05/21/1949 SP5 A 11B10 UH-1H 68-16528 DOWN IN THUNDERSTORM 4 KM SW LOC NINH AFLD UH-1H 68-16528 05/31/1970 05/31/1970 C1 B 5 21 VS Y 10W 127 120TH AVN CO, 165TH AVN GROUP, 1ST AVIATION BDE, USARV 01

EL MONTE CA 09/13/1934 SP5 A 11B40 CMD-DET 500LB BOMB, NEAR LZ LIZ 8 KM NW OF DUC PHO 19670615 06/15/1967 06/15/1967 A1 H 7 05 VS Y 21E 109 C TRP, 3RD SQDN, 4TH CAVALRY, 25TH INF DIV, USARV

SILVER CREEK NY 12/24/1947 SP5 A 11B40 TOAN THANG III CONVOY AMBUSHED ON HWY QL-13 NORTH OF AN LOC 19690709 07/09/1969 07/09/1969 A1 D 7 21 VS Y 21W 088 919TH ENG CO, 11TH ARMORED CAVALRY, USARV

KITTERY ME 07/20/1946 SP5 A 11B20 01/22/1969 01/22/1969 C1 C 7 08 VS Y 34W 060 B CO, 1ST BN, 69TH ARMOR, 4TH INF DIV, USARV

OCEAN CITY NJ 12/20/1946 SP5 A 11B40 C-47D 45-0934 CRASHED 11 KM NORTH OF BUON TSUKE AFLD C-47D 45-0934 10/21/1968 10/21/1968 C1 B 3 10 VS Y 40W 013 45TH MI DET, HHC, 1ST MI BN (AIR RECON SPT), 525TH MI GROUP, USARV

LEVITTOWN PA 07/18/1948 SP5 A 11B20 05/08/1969 05/08/1969 A1 G 7 33 VS Y 25W 022 D CO, 4TH BN, 47TH INFANTRY, 9TH INF DIV, USARV

PASCAGOULA MS 10/24/1928 SP5 A 11B40 03/30/1966 03/30/1966 A1 G 7 99 VS Y 06E 069 B CO, 65TH ENG BN, 25TH INF DIV, USARV

CENTRAL ISLIP NY 07/31/1946 SP5 A 11B4S 06/14/1968 06/14/1968 06/19/1968 A3 H 7 LZ LA Y 57W 017 FOB 2, CCN, MACV-SOG, 5TH SF GROUP, USARV 01

NEW YORK NY 06/07/1945 SP5 A 11B20 03/14/1967 03/14/1967 A1 V 7 27 VS Y 16E 080 B CO, 3RD BN, 7TH INFANTRY, 199TH INFANTRY BDE, USARV

HAMPTON BAYS NY 09/30/1946 SP5 A 11B40 01/03/1969 A2 D 7 99 VS Y 35W 025 D CO, 1ST BN, 8TH CAVALRY, 1ST CAV DIV, USARV

WELLSVILLE NY 02/05/1946 SP5 A 11B2F OP NORFOLK VICTORY OH-23G 62-03813 12 KM SW OF QUANG NGAI CITY OH-23G 62-03813 04/08/1968 04/08/1968 A1 B 5 05 VS Y 48E 052 B CO, 123RD AVN BN, 16TH AVN GROUP, AMERICAL DIV, USARV

BOSTON MA 12/15/1948 SP5 A 11B20 07/20/1968 07/20/1968 A1 D 7 02 VS Y 51W 020 B CO, 2ND BN, 502ND INFANTRY, 101ST ABN DIV, USARV

MELBOURNE FL 09/21/1939 SP5 A 11B40 06/06/1969 06/06/1969 A1 H 7 02 VS Y 23W 083 A TRP, 2ND SQDN, 17TH CAVALRY, 101ST ABN DIV, USARV

LYNCHBURG VA 03/06/1926 SP5 A 11B20 OP PAUL REVERE 06/29/1966 06/29/1966 C2 L 7 08 VS Y 08E 108 HHC, 2ND BN, 35TH INFANTRY, 25TH INF DIV, USARV

CARDIFF MD 11/18/1943 SP5 A 11B40 IA DRANG LZ X-RAY & ALBANY LZ ALBANY, 7 KM E-NE OF CHU PRONG MTN, HILL 732 19651117 11/17/1965 11/17/1965 A1 D 7 08 VS Y 03E 095 C CO, 2ND BN, 7TH CAVALRY, 1ST CAV DIV, USARV

BALTIMORE MD 07/11/1944 SP5 A 11B40 BOOBYTRAP IN AMMO CACHE 9 KM W-SW OF BEN CAT VILLAGE 1967012 01/20/1967 01/20/1967 A1 H 7 23 VS Y 14E 059 A CO, 1ST BN, 5TH INFANTRY, 25TH INF DIV, USARV 01

DORAN VA 01/28/1947 SP5 A 11B20 DROWNED CROSSING DONG NAI RIVER 23 KM NW OF AN LOC AFLD 1968 04/18/1968 04/18/1968 A1 J 7 25 VS Y 50E 043 LRRP, AIR CAV TRP, 11TH ARMORED CAVALRY, USARV

ATMORE AL 04/06/1936 SP5 A 11B1F OP CLEAN HOUSE I-II-III SEARCH & DESTROY OPS NEAR AN KHE, BINH DINH DEC1965 UH-1B 63-08737 12/18/1965 12/18/1965 A1 D 7 07 VS Y 04E 022 HHC, 1ST BDE, 1ST CAV DIV, USARV

FORT LAUDERDALE FL 04/16/1943 SP5 A 11B40 01/29/1967 01/29/1967 A1 H 7 07 VS Y 14E 096 C CO, 2ND BN, 12TH CAVALRY, 1ST CAV DIV, USARV

NASHVILLE TN 03/13/1947 SP5 A 11B2F UH-1C 66-15239 ENGINE FAILURE 8 KM E-SE OF PHONG DIEN UH-1C 66-15239 07/04/1968 07/04/1968 C3 B 5 02 VS Y 53W 010 B CO, 101ST AVN BN, 160TH AVN GROUP, 101ST ABN DIV, USARV

JACKSONVILLE FL 07/23/1945 SP5 A 11B40 04/12/1968 04/12/1968 A1 D 7 08 VS Y 49E 036 LRRP TEAM, HHC, 2ND BDE, 4TH INF DIV, USARV

HUNTINGTON WV 11/15/1942 SP5 A 11B2S GRENADE ON PATROL VICINITY MANG YANG PASS 19 KM EAST OF SUOI 02/22/1965 02/22/1965 A1 H 7 06 VS Y 01E 094 DET A-214 (PLATEAU GI), 5TH SF GROUP, US ARMY SPT CMD VIETNAM, MACV

COLUMBUS OH 04/21/1944 SP5 A 11B40 IA DRANG LZ X-RAY & ALBANY LZ ALBANY, 7 KM E-NE OF CHU PRONG MTN, HILL 732 19651117 11/17/1965 11/17/1965 A1 D 7 08 VS Y 03E 086 HHC, 2ND BN, 7TH CAVALRY, 1ST CAV DIV, USARV

DORTON KY 06/03/1945 SP5 A 11B20 04/28/1968 04/28/1968 A1 G 7 07 VS Y 52E 033 A CO, 1ST BN, 69TH ARMOR, 4TH INF DIV, USARV

SAN ANTONIO TX 04/19/1947 SP5 A 11B40 ENGAGEMENTS 8 KM EAST OF BEN SUC 1968NOV19-20 11/19/1968 11/19/1968 A1 D 7 23 VS Y 38W 011 2ND PLT, D CO, 2ND BN, 28TH INFANTRY, 1ST INF DIV, USARV

CORPUS CHRISTI TX 11/22/1946 SP5 A 11B20 ATTACK ON UNIDENTIFIED AIRFIELD 19680406 04/06/1968 04/06/1968 A1 H 7 12 VS Y 48E 026 C CO, 87TH ENG BN, 35TH ENG GROUP, 18TH ENG BDE, USARV ENG CMD, USARV

MILTON JUNCTION WI 10/26/1937 SP5 A 11B10 ACFT CRASHED IN RIVER AFTER T/O, LOCATION UNKNOWN 19670207 UH-1C 64-14153 02/07/1967 02/07/1967 02/11/1967 02/11/1967 C3 B 5 99 VS Y 15E 004 162ND AHC, 11TH AVN BN, 12TH AVN GROUP, 1ST AVIATION BDE, USARV

MONTGOMERY IL 06/01/1944 SP5 A 11B20 04/19/1967 04/19/1967 A1 G 7 23 VS Y 18E 047 HHC, 1ST BN, 28TH INFANTRY, 1ST INF DIV, USARV

GLENWOOD IL 06/22/1945 SP5 A 11B2S SIEGE OF DUC LAP SF CAMP (DET A-239) 1968AUG24-26 08/25/1968 08/25/1968 A1 D 7 13 VS Y 46W 022 DET B-20 (2ND MSFC), B CO, 5TH SF GROUP, USARV

CHESTERTON IN 08/14/1947 SP5 A 11B20 08/23/1968 08/23/1968 A1 E 7 02 VS Y 47W 047 HHC, XXIV CORPS, USARV

BARRYTON MI 07/11/1947 SP5 A 11B20 01/23/1968 01/23/1968 A1 D 7 25 VS Y 35E 013 USARV FLT DET, 210TH AVN BN, 12TH AVN GROUP, 1ST AVIATION BDE, USARV

SIREN WI 08/29/1940 SP5 A 11B20 12/20/1965 12/28/1965 A2 B 5 99 VS Y 04E 043 D CO, 229TH AHB, 11TH AVN GROUP, 1ST CAV DIV, USARV

OTTUMWA IA 01/10/1943 SP5 A 11B40 10/03/1966 A2 G 7 99 VS Y 11E 040 A CO, 1ST BN, 16TH INFANTRY, 1ST INF DIV, USARV

BIG SPRINGS NE 03/23/1942 SP5 A 11B20 FRIENDLY MINE FRAGMENTS WHILE IN BASE CAMP 19671225 12/25/1967 12/26/1967 A2 I 7 21 VS Y 32E 063 229TH S&S CO, 94TH S&S BN, 53RD GS GROUP, ARMY SPT CMD SAIGON, 1ST LOG CMD, USARV

FARMINGTON MO 08/28/1947 SP5 A 11B2P 05/13/1967 05/13/1967 A1 D 7 05 VS Y 19E 110 B CO, 1ST BN, 327TH INFANTRY, 101ST ABN DIV, USARV

BANCROFT SD 08/05/1945 SP5 A 11B2K HIT BY .30 CAL FIRE, CRASHED, SPECIFIC LOCATION UNK 19670719 UH-1D 65-12891 07/19/1967 07/19/1967 07/28/1967 A3 B 5 06 VS Y 23E 090 A CO, 4TH AVN BN, 4TH INF DIV, USARV

PITTSBURGH PA 01/01/1944 SP5 A 11B10 AMBUSH ON CANAL 16 KM SW OF KIEN AN VILLAGE 19710326 03/26/1971 03/26/1971 A3 Z 7 36 VS Y 04W 080 1099TH TRANS CO, 159TH TRANS BN, 4TH TRANS CMD, ARMY SPT CMD SAIGON, 1ST LOG CMD, USARV

BEAUMONT TX 07/11/1931 SP5 A 11B40 02/06/1966 02/06/1966 A1 H 7 99 VS Y 05E 006 B CO, 2ND BN, 2ND INFANTRY, 1ST INF DIV, USARV

BRINKLEY AR 06/23/1943 SP5 A 11B4S 2 KM N-NE OF VAN CANH AFLD 19630228 02/28/1963 02/28/1963 C2 C 7 07 VS Y 01E 019 DET A-731 (VAN CANH), 5TH SF GROUP, US ARMY SF VIETNAM, MAAGV

NEW ORLEANS LA 09/23/1946 SP5 A 11B40 ACFT LOST DIRECTIONAL CONTROL, CRASHED 19680412 OH-6A 66-14386 04/12/1968 04/12/1968 C1 B 5 05 VS Y 49E 033 173RD FLT PLT, HHC, 173RD ABN BDE, USARV

TORRANCE CA 10/11/1948 SP5 A 11B2F 02/27/1968 02/27/1968 C1 B 7 02 VS Y 41E 057 B CO, 101ST AVN BN, 101ST ABN DIV, USARV

CHINOOK MT 06/25/1946 SP5 A 11B40 06/28/1968 06/28/1968 C1 C 7 07 VS Y 54W 010 C CO, 5TH BN, 7TH CAVALRY, 1ST CAV DIV, USARV

MEDINA WA 06/19/1945 SP5 A 11B4S 02/20/1969 02/20/1969 A1 G 7 47 VS Y 32W 064 DET A-403 (4TH MSFC), D CO, 5TH SF GROUP, USARV

SEATTLE WA 02/16/1945 SP5 A 11B2F 04/11/1968 A2 B 5 36 VS Y 49E 021 336TH AHC, 13TH AVN BN, 164TH AVN GROUP, 1ST AVIATION BDE, USARV 01

BIRMINGHAM AL 03/04/1933 SP5 A 11B40 OP SHINY BAYONET SUOI CAI (HAPPY) VALLEY 5 KM SSE OF VINH THANH 1965OCT10-14 10/12/1965 10/12/1965 A1 D 7 07 VS Y 02E 121 HHC, 2ND BN, 5TH CAVALRY, 1ST CAV DIV, USARV

MADILL OK 12/09/1939 SP5 A 11B40 07/18/1963 07/18/1963 C2 T 7 99 VS Y 01E 025 114TH AHC, DELTA AVN BN, MACV

ATHENS GA 08/03/1949 SP6 A 11B2F DISAPPEARED IN BAD WEATHER 45 KM E-NE OF DONG XOAI CITY 1968 UH-1C 66-15154 08/01/1968 11/17/1975 C3 B 5 14 VS N 50W 042 240TH AHC, 214TH AVN BN, 12TH AVN GROUP, 1ST AVIATION BDE, USARV

CHICAGO IL 02/06/1950 SP5 A 11B4P UH-1H 69-16717 CRASHED IN RAO QUAN RIVER 3 KM ESE KHE SANH UH-1H 69-16717 01/20/1972 01/24/1972 A2 B 6 01 VS Y 02W 100 AERO RIFLE PLT, D TRP, 3RD SQDN, 5TH CAVALRY, 101ST ABN DIV, USARV 01

CHICAGO IL 06/09/1945 SP5 A 11B20 OP PAUL REVERE 06/06/1966 11/06/1971 A2 D 7 08 VS Y 13E 058 A CO, 2ND BN, 35TH INFANTRY, 25TH INF DIV, USARV

MUSKEGON MI 01/21/1949 SP5 A 11B20 MURDER/SUICIDE, CAMP RADCLIFF (5 KM N-NW AN KHE) 19691104 11/04/1969 11/04/1969 C1 S 7 07 VS Y 16W 028 119TH AHC, 52ND AVN BN, 17TH AVN GROUP, 1ST AVIATION BDE, USARV

WALDO KS 08/08/1920 SP5 A 11B20 11/10/1965 11/10/1965 A1 H 7 99 VS Y 03E 040 HHC, 1ST ENG BN, 1ST INF DIV, USARV

BIG SPRING TX 02/11/1943 SP5 A 11B40 DAK SEANG SF CAMP APR 1970 HOT LZ, NE SLOPE OF NUI EK MTN 4 KM NORTH OF DAK SEANG AFLD UH-1H 68-16203 04/15/1970 04/15/1970 04/29/1970 05/03/1970 A3 Z 7 06 VS Y 11W 008 SECURITY PLT, HHC, 52ND AVN BN, 17TH AVN GROUP, 1ST AVIATION BDE, USARV 01

ST PAUL MN 08/27/1950 SP5 A 11B20 04/03/1971 A2 G 7 04 VS Y 04W 103 D TRP, 1ST SQDN, 1ST CAVALRY, AMERICAL DIV, USARV

PARIS MO 07/17/1948 SP5 A 11B4S RT ALASKA EXTRACTION RT ALASKA, 27 KM SOUTH OF CA LU AFLD 19710518 05/18/1971 05/18/1971 A1 D 7 01 VS Y 03W 040 RT ALASKA, TF-1 AE, MACV-SOG, 5TH SF GROUP, USARV

JERSEY CITY NJ 06/17/1929 SP5 A 11B40 IA DRANG LZ X-RAY & ALBANY LZ ALBANY, 7 KM E-NE OF CHU PRONG MTN, HILL 732 19651117 11/17/1965 11/17/1965 A1 D 7 08 VS Y 03E 089 D CO, 2ND BN, 7TH CAVALRY, 1ST CAV DIV, USARV 01

PAPAIKOU HI 03/14/1943 SP5 A 11B20 UH-1H 66-16587 28 KM WEST-SOUTH WEST OF DAK TO AIRSTRIP UH-1H 66-16587 12/04/1967 12/04/1967 A3 B 5 06 VS Y 31E 037 A CO, 4TH AVN BN, 4TH INF DIV, USARV

ALLENTOWN PA 11/20/1945 SP5 A 11B40 OP FITCHBURG 04/07/1967 04/07/1967 A1 D 7 22 VS Y 17E 118 A CO, 2ND BN, 1ST INFANTRY, 196TH INFANTRY BDE, USARV

ACKERMANVILLE PA 03/16/1943 SP5 A 11B40 OP FRANCIS MARION ABOUT 3 KM FROM CHU GOUNGO 19670524 05/24/1967 05/24/1967 A1 H 7 08 VS Y 20E 098 B CO, 3RD BN, 12TH INFANTRY, 4TH INF DIV, USARV

OGDEN UT 01/31/1948 SP5 A 11B4S 07/21/1969 C2 C 7 42 VS Y 20W 031 DET B-36 (LONG HAI), 5TH SF GROUP, USARV 01

NORTH BIRMINGHAM AL 07/17/1939 SP5 A 11B40 C-123B 54-0702 CRASH DEO MANG PASS BTWN AN KHE & BINH KHE C-123B 54-0702 01/25/1966 01/25/1966 01/26/1966 C3 B 3 07 VS Y 04E 095 HHC, 2ND BN, 7TH CAVALRY, 1ST CAV DIV, USARV

BUCHANAN GA 07/23/1943 SP5 A 11B10 TAIL ROTOR HUB FAILED WHILE LANDING AT PHAN THIET AFLD 19670 UH-1D 62-12358 05/18/1967 05/18/1967 C3 B 5 17 VS Y 20E 029 A CO, 227TH AHB, 11TH AVN GROUP, 1ST CAV DIV, USARV

BIRMINGHAM AL 10/05/1941 SP5 A 11B20 MINE DURING SWEEP ON LTL-19, 7 KM EAST OF GO DAU HA 1968120 GROUND 12/09/1968 12/09/1968 A1 G 7 42 VS N 37W 073 B CO, 65TH ENG BN, 25TH INF DIV, USARV

WHAT CHEER IA 09/04/1943 SP5 A 11B40 OP VERNON LAKE I COMMAND DETONATED BOOBY-TRAPPED HAND GRENADE 12 KM NE OF HA 10/31/1968 10/31/1968 A1 G 7 05 VS Y 40W 061 D CO, 4TH BN, 3RD INFANTRY, 11TH INFANTRY BDE, AMERICAL DIV, USARV

MILFORD MI 12/07/1944 SP5 A 11B40 OP WAYNE GREY FSB BRACE, 35 KM NORTH OF PLEI DJERENG AFLD (OLD) 19690306 03/06/1969 03/06/1969 A1 D 7 06 VS Y 30W 061 B CO, 3RD BN, 8TH INFANTRY, 4TH INF DIV, USARV

SHELBY MI 06/05/1947 SP5 A 11B40 OP TOAN THANG 4 MILES SOUTHWEST OF DI AN 19680616 06/16/1968 06/16/1968 A1 D 7 24 VS Y 56W 006 C CO, 1ST BN, 26TH INFANTRY, 1ST INF DIV, USARV 01

NEWBURG MO 04/03/1940 SP5 A 11B20 OP TOAN THANG I FSB MAURY, 13 KM S-SW OF CU CHI BASE 19680509 05/09/1968 05/09/1968 A1 H 7 42 VS Y 57E 032 A BTRY, 3RD BN, 13TH ARTILLERY, 25TH INF DIV, USARV 01

ONTONAGON MI 04/15/1945 SP5 A 11B40 OP SABER THRUST AP BAU DUNG, 12 KM NORTH OF GO DAU HA 19670420 04/20/1967 04/20/1967 A1 D 7 22 VS Y 18E 054 B CO, 4TH BN, 23RD INFANTRY, 25TH INF DIV, USARV 01

GEORGETOWN ID 06/24/1946 SP5 A 11B20 01/19/1967 01/19/1967 A1 D 7 09 VS Y 14E 052 A CO, 1ST BN, 8TH INFANTRY, 4TH INF DIV, USARV 01

TUJUNGA CA 09/18/1949 SP5 A 11B20 VICINITY FSB FURR, 6 KM NORTH OF XUAN LOC AFLD 1971JUN14-15 06/14/1971 06/14/1971 A1 D 7 19 VS Y 03W 076 D CO, 2ND BN, 5TH CAVALRY, 1ST CAV DIV, USARV

BLANDING UT 11/21/1943 SP5 A 11B20 05/12/1969 05/12/1969 A1 E 7 25 VS Y 25W 079 BDE HHC, 199TH INFANTRY BDE, USARV

SAN JUAN PR 03/04/1950 SP5 A 11B20 UH-1H 66-17051 CRASH IN DONG NAI RVR 13 KM NE BIEN HOA AFLD UH-1H 66-17051 03/17/1972 03/17/1972 03/21/1972 03/21/1972 C3 B 6 25 VS Y 02W 116 AERO RIFLE PLT, F TRP, 4TH CAVALRY, 1ST AVIATION BDE, USARV


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334th AHC 69/70 189th AHC 67/68 155th AHC 67

TAC Officer 1968 Fort Wolters

USMC 1956-1959

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Here is your 60 SP6 army deaths from Vietnam

mos

00H20

11B2F

11E1P

33G20

33G30

34A20

35J20

35N20

51D20

55D30

55D30

55D3H

63C30

63C30

64C30

67A1F

67N20

67N20

67N20

67N30

67N40

67P20

67S20

67T20

67U20

67U20

67U20

67U20

67V30

67W20

67W20

67W20

67W20

67W20

67W2P

68B30

71C30

74E30

76K4P

76N20

76U20

91B20

91B2P

91C20

91C20

91C20

91C20

91C2P

91C40

91D20

91K20

93F20

94B20

94B20

94B30

94B40

94B40

95C20

95D20

98C30


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334th AHC 69/70 189th AHC 67/68 155th AHC 67

TAC Officer 1968 Fort Wolters

USMC 1956-1959

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last but not least the one spec7

Naoto Yamashiro

Specialist Seven

 

PERSONAL DATA

Home of Record: Honolulu, HI

Date of birth: 05/07/1924

 

MILITARY DATA

Service: Army of the United States

Grade at loss: E7

Rank: Specialist Seven

ID No: 30114225

MOS: 34D20: ADPS Repairman

Length Service: 20

Unit: 59TH SIG CO, 1ST SIGNAL BDE, USARV

 

CASUALTY DATA

Start Tour: 04/12/1967

Incident Date: 08/23/1967

Casualty Date: 08/23/1967

Age at Loss: 43

Location: Gia Dinh Province, South Vietnam

Remains: Body recovered

Casualty Type: Hostile, died outright

Casualty Reason: Ground casualty

Casualty Detail: Gun or small arms fire


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CW2 Bernard E Meister 2/14/70

334th AHC 69/70 189th AHC 67/68 155th AHC 67

TAC Officer 1968 Fort Wolters

USMC 1956-1959

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Concerning the SP5 KIA's in Vietnam, I'm not suggesting the listings are incorrect, but what stands out to me is the variance in the MOS's. Someone with a better understanding of the designators may want to chime in, but I have found the following to illustrate my point:

 

Enlisted codes consisted of five digits. The first three (e.g., 11B) indicated the position while the fourth and fifth indicated the relative level:

xxx10 - basic Infantryman (E1-E3) = 11B10

xxx20 - specialist (Specialist 4th Class, E-4) = 11B20 (Note: some SP5s were 20s, e.g., 63B20, 91B20, 94B20)

xxx30 - team leader, specialist (E-5) = 11B30 (A number of SP5 positions had "30" MOS codes, including 64C30).

xxx40 - noncommissioned officer (Sergeant E-5, Staff Sergeant E-6, Sergeant First Class E-7) = 11B40

xxx50 - senior noncommissioned officer (E-8, E-9) = 11B50 (or, as we shall see, 11B5M, first sergeant)

 

I don't think there should be any 11B10 or 11B20 Specialist 5's and I don't think I have ever seen a reference to an 11B30.

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Concerning the SP5 KIA's in Vietnam, I'm not suggesting the listings are incorrect, but what stands out to me is the variance in the MOS's. Someone with a better understanding of the designators may want to chime in, but I have found the following to illustrate my point:

 

Enlisted codes consisted of five digits. The first three (e.g., 11B) indicated the position while the fourth and fifth indicated the relative level:

xxx10 - basic Infantryman (E1-E3) = 11B10

xxx20 - specialist (Specialist 4th Class, E-4) = 11B20 (Note: some SP5s were 20s, e.g., 63B20, 91B20, 94B20)

xxx30 - team leader, specialist (E-5) = 11B30 (A number of SP5 positions had "30" MOS codes, including 64C30).

xxx40 - noncommissioned officer (Sergeant E-5, Staff Sergeant E-6, Sergeant First Class E-7) = 11B40

xxx50 - senior noncommissioned officer (E-8, E-9) = 11B50 (or, as we shall see, 11B5M, first sergeant)

 

I don't think there should be any 11B10 or 11B20 Specialist 5's and I don't think I have ever seen a reference to an 11B30.

 

The other member is sending me a partial list of those Spec 5s KIA, I have a therory that may be born out to some degree as why an 11B or 11C would be holding A Specialist 5 class rank.

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Take your time here is your sp5s, the sp6 was a spec4 with a posthumus promotion

I know this is messy but a new person starts at home of record

Home st birth rank svc mos OPERATION EVENT VEHICLE INCIDENT CASDATE RETURN IDENTIFY CAS1 CAS2 CAS3 PROV CTRY BODY PANL LINE UNIT VWLINK

SPRINGFIELD MA 11/12/1948 SP5 A 11B20 HILL 714 NW FSB VEGHEL MAY1970 05/08/1970 05/08/1970 A1 D 7 02 VS Y 10W 002 A CO, 2ND BN, 502ND INFANTRY, 101ST ABN DIV, USARV

BELLPORT NY 05/21/1949 SP5 A 11B10 UH-1H 68-16528 DOWN IN THUNDERSTORM 4 KM SW LOC NINH AFLD UH-1H 68-16528 05/31/1970 05/31/1970 C1 B 5 21 VS Y 10W 127 120TH AVN CO, 165TH AVN GROUP, 1ST AVIATION BDE, USARV 01

EL MONTE CA 09/13/1934 SP5 A 11B40 CMD-DET 500LB BOMB, NEAR LZ LIZ 8 KM NW OF DUC PHO 19670615 06/15/1967 06/15/1967 A1 H 7 05 VS Y 21E 109 C TRP, 3RD SQDN, 4TH CAVALRY, 25TH INF DIV, USARV

SILVER CREEK NY 12/24/1947 SP5 A 11B40 TOAN THANG III CONVOY AMBUSHED ON HWY QL-13 NORTH OF AN LOC 19690709 07/09/1969 07/09/1969 A1 D 7 21 VS Y 21W 088 919TH ENG CO, 11TH ARMORED CAVALRY, USARV

KITTERY ME 07/20/1946 SP5 A 11B20 01/22/1969 01/22/1969 C1 C 7 08 VS Y 34W 060 B CO, 1ST BN, 69TH ARMOR, 4TH INF DIV, USARV

OCEAN CITY NJ 12/20/1946 SP5 A 11B40 C-47D 45-0934 CRASHED 11 KM NORTH OF BUON TSUKE AFLD C-47D 45-0934 10/21/1968 10/21/1968 C1 B 3 10 VS Y 40W 013 45TH MI DET, HHC, 1ST MI BN (AIR RECON SPT), 525TH MI GROUP, USARV

LEVITTOWN PA 07/18/1948 SP5 A 11B20 05/08/1969 05/08/1969 A1 G 7 33 VS Y 25W 022 D CO, 4TH BN, 47TH INFANTRY, 9TH INF DIV, USARV

PASCAGOULA MS 10/24/1928 SP5 A 11B40 03/30/1966 03/30/1966 A1 G 7 99 VS Y 06E 069 B CO, 65TH ENG BN, 25TH INF DIV, USARV

CENTRAL ISLIP NY 07/31/1946 SP5 A 11B4S 06/14/1968 06/14/1968 06/19/1968 A3 H 7 LZ LA Y 57W 017 FOB 2, CCN, MACV-SOG, 5TH SF GROUP, USARV 01

NEW YORK NY 06/07/1945 SP5 A 11B20 03/14/1967 03/14/1967 A1 V 7 27 VS Y 16E 080 B CO, 3RD BN, 7TH INFANTRY, 199TH INFANTRY BDE, USARV

HAMPTON BAYS NY 09/30/1946 SP5 A 11B40 01/03/1969 A2 D 7 99 VS Y 35W 025 D CO, 1ST BN, 8TH CAVALRY, 1ST CAV DIV, USARV

WELLSVILLE NY 02/05/1946 SP5 A 11B2F OP NORFOLK VICTORY OH-23G 62-03813 12 KM SW OF QUANG NGAI CITY OH-23G 62-03813 04/08/1968 04/08/1968 A1 B 5 05 VS Y 48E 052 B CO, 123RD AVN BN, 16TH AVN GROUP, AMERICAL DIV, USARV

BOSTON MA 12/15/1948 SP5 A 11B20 07/20/1968 07/20/1968 A1 D 7 02 VS Y 51W 020 B CO, 2ND BN, 502ND INFANTRY, 101ST ABN DIV, USARV

MELBOURNE FL 09/21/1939 SP5 A 11B40 06/06/1969 06/06/1969 A1 H 7 02 VS Y 23W 083 A TRP, 2ND SQDN, 17TH CAVALRY, 101ST ABN DIV, USARV

LYNCHBURG VA 03/06/1926 SP5 A 11B20 OP PAUL REVERE 06/29/1966 06/29/1966 C2 L 7 08 VS Y 08E 108 HHC, 2ND BN, 35TH INFANTRY, 25TH INF DIV, USARV

CARDIFF MD 11/18/1943 SP5 A 11B40 IA DRANG LZ X-RAY & ALBANY LZ ALBANY, 7 KM E-NE OF CHU PRONG MTN, HILL 732 19651117 11/17/1965 11/17/1965 A1 D 7 08 VS Y 03E 095 C CO, 2ND BN, 7TH CAVALRY, 1ST CAV DIV, USARV

BALTIMORE MD 07/11/1944 SP5 A 11B40 BOOBYTRAP IN AMMO CACHE 9 KM W-SW OF BEN CAT VILLAGE 1967012 01/20/1967 01/20/1967 A1 H 7 23 VS Y 14E 059 A CO, 1ST BN, 5TH INFANTRY, 25TH INF DIV, USARV 01

DORAN VA 01/28/1947 SP5 A 11B20 DROWNED CROSSING DONG NAI RIVER 23 KM NW OF AN LOC AFLD 1968 04/18/1968 04/18/1968 A1 J 7 25 VS Y 50E 043 LRRP, AIR CAV TRP, 11TH ARMORED CAVALRY, USARV

ATMORE AL 04/06/1936 SP5 A 11B1F OP CLEAN HOUSE I-II-III SEARCH & DESTROY OPS NEAR AN KHE, BINH DINH DEC1965 UH-1B 63-08737 12/18/1965 12/18/1965 A1 D 7 07 VS Y 04E 022 HHC, 1ST BDE, 1ST CAV DIV, USARV

FORT LAUDERDALE FL 04/16/1943 SP5 A 11B40 01/29/1967 01/29/1967 A1 H 7 07 VS Y 14E 096 C CO, 2ND BN, 12TH CAVALRY, 1ST CAV DIV, USARV

NASHVILLE TN 03/13/1947 SP5 A 11B2F UH-1C 66-15239 ENGINE FAILURE 8 KM E-SE OF PHONG DIEN UH-1C 66-15239 07/04/1968 07/04/1968 C3 B 5 02 VS Y 53W 010 B CO, 101ST AVN BN, 160TH AVN GROUP, 101ST ABN DIV, USARV

JACKSONVILLE FL 07/23/1945 SP5 A 11B40 04/12/1968 04/12/1968 A1 D 7 08 VS Y 49E 036 LRRP TEAM, HHC, 2ND BDE, 4TH INF DIV, USARV

HUNTINGTON WV 11/15/1942 SP5 A 11B2S GRENADE ON PATROL VICINITY MANG YANG PASS 19 KM EAST OF SUOI 02/22/1965 02/22/1965 A1 H 7 06 VS Y 01E 094 DET A-214 (PLATEAU GI), 5TH SF GROUP, US ARMY SPT CMD VIETNAM, MACV

COLUMBUS OH 04/21/1944 SP5 A 11B40 IA DRANG LZ X-RAY & ALBANY LZ ALBANY, 7 KM E-NE OF CHU PRONG MTN, HILL 732 19651117 11/17/1965 11/17/1965 A1 D 7 08 VS Y 03E 086 HHC, 2ND BN, 7TH CAVALRY, 1ST CAV DIV, USARV

DORTON KY 06/03/1945 SP5 A 11B20 04/28/1968 04/28/1968 A1 G 7 07 VS Y 52E 033 A CO, 1ST BN, 69TH ARMOR, 4TH INF DIV, USARV

SAN ANTONIO TX 04/19/1947 SP5 A 11B40 ENGAGEMENTS 8 KM EAST OF BEN SUC 1968NOV19-20 11/19/1968 11/19/1968 A1 D 7 23 VS Y 38W 011 2ND PLT, D CO, 2ND BN, 28TH INFANTRY, 1ST INF DIV, USARV

CORPUS CHRISTI TX 11/22/1946 SP5 A 11B20 ATTACK ON UNIDENTIFIED AIRFIELD 19680406 04/06/1968 04/06/1968 A1 H 7 12 VS Y 48E 026 C CO, 87TH ENG BN, 35TH ENG GROUP, 18TH ENG BDE, USARV ENG CMD, USARV

MILTON JUNCTION WI 10/26/1937 SP5 A 11B10 ACFT CRASHED IN RIVER AFTER T/O, LOCATION UNKNOWN 19670207 UH-1C 64-14153 02/07/1967 02/07/1967 02/11/1967 02/11/1967 C3 B 5 99 VS Y 15E 004 162ND AHC, 11TH AVN BN, 12TH AVN GROUP, 1ST AVIATION BDE, USARV

MONTGOMERY IL 06/01/1944 SP5 A 11B20 04/19/1967 04/19/1967 A1 G 7 23 VS Y 18E 047 HHC, 1ST BN, 28TH INFANTRY, 1ST INF DIV, USARV

GLENWOOD IL 06/22/1945 SP5 A 11B2S SIEGE OF DUC LAP SF CAMP (DET A-239) 1968AUG24-26 08/25/1968 08/25/1968 A1 D 7 13 VS Y 46W 022 DET B-20 (2ND MSFC), B CO, 5TH SF GROUP, USARV

CHESTERTON IN 08/14/1947 SP5 A 11B20 08/23/1968 08/23/1968 A1 E 7 02 VS Y 47W 047 HHC, XXIV CORPS, USARV

BARRYTON MI 07/11/1947 SP5 A 11B20 01/23/1968 01/23/1968 A1 D 7 25 VS Y 35E 013 USARV FLT DET, 210TH AVN BN, 12TH AVN GROUP, 1ST AVIATION BDE, USARV

SIREN WI 08/29/1940 SP5 A 11B20 12/20/1965 12/28/1965 A2 B 5 99 VS Y 04E 043 D CO, 229TH AHB, 11TH AVN GROUP, 1ST CAV DIV, USARV

OTTUMWA IA 01/10/1943 SP5 A 11B40 10/03/1966 A2 G 7 99 VS Y 11E 040 A CO, 1ST BN, 16TH INFANTRY, 1ST INF DIV, USARV

BIG SPRINGS NE 03/23/1942 SP5 A 11B20 FRIENDLY MINE FRAGMENTS WHILE IN BASE CAMP 19671225 12/25/1967 12/26/1967 A2 I 7 21 VS Y 32E 063 229TH S&S CO, 94TH S&S BN, 53RD GS GROUP, ARMY SPT CMD SAIGON, 1ST LOG CMD, USARV

FARMINGTON MO 08/28/1947 SP5 A 11B2P 05/13/1967 05/13/1967 A1 D 7 05 VS Y 19E 110 B CO, 1ST BN, 327TH INFANTRY, 101ST ABN DIV, USARV

BANCROFT SD 08/05/1945 SP5 A 11B2K HIT BY .30 CAL FIRE, CRASHED, SPECIFIC LOCATION UNK 19670719 UH-1D 65-12891 07/19/1967 07/19/1967 07/28/1967 A3 B 5 06 VS Y 23E 090 A CO, 4TH AVN BN, 4TH INF DIV, USARV

PITTSBURGH PA 01/01/1944 SP5 A 11B10 AMBUSH ON CANAL 16 KM SW OF KIEN AN VILLAGE 19710326 03/26/1971 03/26/1971 A3 Z 7 36 VS Y 04W 080 1099TH TRANS CO, 159TH TRANS BN, 4TH TRANS CMD, ARMY SPT CMD SAIGON, 1ST LOG CMD, USARV

BEAUMONT TX 07/11/1931 SP5 A 11B40 02/06/1966 02/06/1966 A1 H 7 99 VS Y 05E 006 B CO, 2ND BN, 2ND INFANTRY, 1ST INF DIV, USARV

BRINKLEY AR 06/23/1943 SP5 A 11B4S 2 KM N-NE OF VAN CANH AFLD 19630228 02/28/1963 02/28/1963 C2 C 7 07 VS Y 01E 019 DET A-731 (VAN CANH), 5TH SF GROUP, US ARMY SF VIETNAM, MAAGV

NEW ORLEANS LA 09/23/1946 SP5 A 11B40 ACFT LOST DIRECTIONAL CONTROL, CRASHED 19680412 OH-6A 66-14386 04/12/1968 04/12/1968 C1 B 5 05 VS Y 49E 033 173RD FLT PLT, HHC, 173RD ABN BDE, USARV

TORRANCE CA 10/11/1948 SP5 A 11B2F 02/27/1968 02/27/1968 C1 B 7 02 VS Y 41E 057 B CO, 101ST AVN BN, 101ST ABN DIV, USARV

CHINOOK MT 06/25/1946 SP5 A 11B40 06/28/1968 06/28/1968 C1 C 7 07 VS Y 54W 010 C CO, 5TH BN, 7TH CAVALRY, 1ST CAV DIV, USARV

MEDINA WA 06/19/1945 SP5 A 11B4S 02/20/1969 02/20/1969 A1 G 7 47 VS Y 32W 064 DET A-403 (4TH MSFC), D CO, 5TH SF GROUP, USARV

SEATTLE WA 02/16/1945 SP5 A 11B2F 04/11/1968 A2 B 5 36 VS Y 49E 021 336TH AHC, 13TH AVN BN, 164TH AVN GROUP, 1ST AVIATION BDE, USARV 01

BIRMINGHAM AL 03/04/1933 SP5 A 11B40 OP SHINY BAYONET SUOI CAI (HAPPY) VALLEY 5 KM SSE OF VINH THANH 1965OCT10-14 10/12/1965 10/12/1965 A1 D 7 07 VS Y 02E 121 HHC, 2ND BN, 5TH CAVALRY, 1ST CAV DIV, USARV

MADILL OK 12/09/1939 SP5 A 11B40 07/18/1963 07/18/1963 C2 T 7 99 VS Y 01E 025 114TH AHC, DELTA AVN BN, MACV

ATHENS GA 08/03/1949 SP6 A 11B2F DISAPPEARED IN BAD WEATHER 45 KM E-NE OF DONG XOAI CITY 1968 UH-1C 66-15154 08/01/1968 11/17/1975 C3 B 5 14 VS N 50W 042 240TH AHC, 214TH AVN BN, 12TH AVN GROUP, 1ST AVIATION BDE, USARV

CHICAGO IL 02/06/1950 SP5 A 11B4P UH-1H 69-16717 CRASHED IN RAO QUAN RIVER 3 KM ESE KHE SANH UH-1H 69-16717 01/20/1972 01/24/1972 A2 B 6 01 VS Y 02W 100 AERO RIFLE PLT, D TRP, 3RD SQDN, 5TH CAVALRY, 101ST ABN DIV, USARV 01

CHICAGO IL 06/09/1945 SP5 A 11B20 OP PAUL REVERE 06/06/1966 11/06/1971 A2 D 7 08 VS Y 13E 058 A CO, 2ND BN, 35TH INFANTRY, 25TH INF DIV, USARV

MUSKEGON MI 01/21/1949 SP5 A 11B20 MURDER/SUICIDE, CAMP RADCLIFF (5 KM N-NW AN KHE) 19691104 11/04/1969 11/04/1969 C1 S 7 07 VS Y 16W 028 119TH AHC, 52ND AVN BN, 17TH AVN GROUP, 1ST AVIATION BDE, USARV

WALDO KS 08/08/1920 SP5 A 11B20 11/10/1965 11/10/1965 A1 H 7 99 VS Y 03E 040 HHC, 1ST ENG BN, 1ST INF DIV, USARV

BIG SPRING TX 02/11/1943 SP5 A 11B40 DAK SEANG SF CAMP APR 1970 HOT LZ, NE SLOPE OF NUI EK MTN 4 KM NORTH OF DAK SEANG AFLD UH-1H 68-16203 04/15/1970 04/15/1970 04/29/1970 05/03/1970 A3 Z 7 06 VS Y 11W 008 SECURITY PLT, HHC, 52ND AVN BN, 17TH AVN GROUP, 1ST AVIATION BDE, USARV 01

ST PAUL MN 08/27/1950 SP5 A 11B20 04/03/1971 A2 G 7 04 VS Y 04W 103 D TRP, 1ST SQDN, 1ST CAVALRY, AMERICAL DIV, USARV

PARIS MO 07/17/1948 SP5 A 11B4S RT ALASKA EXTRACTION RT ALASKA, 27 KM SOUTH OF CA LU AFLD 19710518 05/18/1971 05/18/1971 A1 D 7 01 VS Y 03W 040 RT ALASKA, TF-1 AE, MACV-SOG, 5TH SF GROUP, USARV

JERSEY CITY NJ 06/17/1929 SP5 A 11B40 IA DRANG LZ X-RAY & ALBANY LZ ALBANY, 7 KM E-NE OF CHU PRONG MTN, HILL 732 19651117 11/17/1965 11/17/1965 A1 D 7 08 VS Y 03E 089 D CO, 2ND BN, 7TH CAVALRY, 1ST CAV DIV, USARV 01

PAPAIKOU HI 03/14/1943 SP5 A 11B20 UH-1H 66-16587 28 KM WEST-SOUTH WEST OF DAK TO AIRSTRIP UH-1H 66-16587 12/04/1967 12/04/1967 A3 B 5 06 VS Y 31E 037 A CO, 4TH AVN BN, 4TH INF DIV, USARV

ALLENTOWN PA 11/20/1945 SP5 A 11B40 OP FITCHBURG 04/07/1967 04/07/1967 A1 D 7 22 VS Y 17E 118 A CO, 2ND BN, 1ST INFANTRY, 196TH INFANTRY BDE, USARV

ACKERMANVILLE PA 03/16/1943 SP5 A 11B40 OP FRANCIS MARION ABOUT 3 KM FROM CHU GOUNGO 19670524 05/24/1967 05/24/1967 A1 H 7 08 VS Y 20E 098 B CO, 3RD BN, 12TH INFANTRY, 4TH INF DIV, USARV

OGDEN UT 01/31/1948 SP5 A 11B4S 07/21/1969 C2 C 7 42 VS Y 20W 031 DET B-36 (LONG HAI), 5TH SF GROUP, USARV 01

NORTH BIRMINGHAM AL 07/17/1939 SP5 A 11B40 C-123B 54-0702 CRASH DEO MANG PASS BTWN AN KHE & BINH KHE C-123B 54-0702 01/25/1966 01/25/1966 01/26/1966 C3 B 3 07 VS Y 04E 095 HHC, 2ND BN, 7TH CAVALRY, 1ST CAV DIV, USARV

BUCHANAN GA 07/23/1943 SP5 A 11B10 TAIL ROTOR HUB FAILED WHILE LANDING AT PHAN THIET AFLD 19670 UH-1D 62-12358 05/18/1967 05/18/1967 C3 B 5 17 VS Y 20E 029 A CO, 227TH AHB, 11TH AVN GROUP, 1ST CAV DIV, USARV

BIRMINGHAM AL 10/05/1941 SP5 A 11B20 MINE DURING SWEEP ON LTL-19, 7 KM EAST OF GO DAU HA 1968120 GROUND 12/09/1968 12/09/1968 A1 G 7 42 VS N 37W 073 B CO, 65TH ENG BN, 25TH INF DIV, USARV

WHAT CHEER IA 09/04/1943 SP5 A 11B40 OP VERNON LAKE I COMMAND DETONATED BOOBY-TRAPPED HAND GRENADE 12 KM NE OF HA 10/31/1968 10/31/1968 A1 G 7 05 VS Y 40W 061 D CO, 4TH BN, 3RD INFANTRY, 11TH INFANTRY BDE, AMERICAL DIV, USARV

MILFORD MI 12/07/1944 SP5 A 11B40 OP WAYNE GREY FSB BRACE, 35 KM NORTH OF PLEI DJERENG AFLD (OLD) 19690306 03/06/1969 03/06/1969 A1 D 7 06 VS Y 30W 061 B CO, 3RD BN, 8TH INFANTRY, 4TH INF DIV, USARV

SHELBY MI 06/05/1947 SP5 A 11B40 OP TOAN THANG 4 MILES SOUTHWEST OF DI AN 19680616 06/16/1968 06/16/1968 A1 D 7 24 VS Y 56W 006 C CO, 1ST BN, 26TH INFANTRY, 1ST INF DIV, USARV 01

NEWBURG MO 04/03/1940 SP5 A 11B20 OP TOAN THANG I FSB MAURY, 13 KM S-SW OF CU CHI BASE 19680509 05/09/1968 05/09/1968 A1 H 7 42 VS Y 57E 032 A BTRY, 3RD BN, 13TH ARTILLERY, 25TH INF DIV, USARV 01

ONTONAGON MI 04/15/1945 SP5 A 11B40 OP SABER THRUST AP BAU DUNG, 12 KM NORTH OF GO DAU HA 19670420 04/20/1967 04/20/1967 A1 D 7 22 VS Y 18E 054 B CO, 4TH BN, 23RD INFANTRY, 25TH INF DIV, USARV 01

GEORGETOWN ID 06/24/1946 SP5 A 11B20 01/19/1967 01/19/1967 A1 D 7 09 VS Y 14E 052 A CO, 1ST BN, 8TH INFANTRY, 4TH INF DIV, USARV 01

TUJUNGA CA 09/18/1949 SP5 A 11B20 VICINITY FSB FURR, 6 KM NORTH OF XUAN LOC AFLD 1971JUN14-15 06/14/1971 06/14/1971 A1 D 7 19 VS Y 03W 076 D CO, 2ND BN, 5TH CAVALRY, 1ST CAV DIV, USARV

BLANDING UT 11/21/1943 SP5 A 11B20 05/12/1969 05/12/1969 A1 E 7 25 VS Y 25W 079 BDE HHC, 199TH INFANTRY BDE, USARV

SAN JUAN PR 03/04/1950 SP5 A 11B20 UH-1H 66-17051 CRASH IN DONG NAI RVR 13 KM NE BIEN HOA AFLD UH-1H 66-17051 03/17/1972 03/17/1972 03/21/1972 03/21/1972 C3 B 6 25 VS Y 02W 116 AERO RIFLE PLT, F TRP, 4TH CAVALRY, 1ST AVIATION BDE, USARV

 

 

checked out a great many of the listings what i'm seeing is most of this Spec5s are either Green Berets or Door gunners, it would seem the at least one of the MOSs that are croping up are the 11B2F which is apperently for non aviation trained Door gunners, others membrers will study this more it is know that some Spec 5s had been tanlk crewmen here this was at a time that tank crew shared the 11 series MOSs with the infantry branches, the tankers holding the MOS 11E. I would suspect a great many of these Spec 5s where those soldiers while holding an 11B MOS where those who where NOT working in their MOS in a rilfle platoon but where rather in the Headquarters Platoon within a Rifle company working in some other capacity when killed., same in those higher command units.

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Here is your 60 SP6 army deaths from Vietnam

mos

00H20

11B2F

11E1P

33G20

33G30

34A20

35J20

35N20

51D20

55D30

55D30

55D3H

63C30

63C30

64C30

67A1F

67N20

67N20

67N20

67N30

67N40

67P20

67S20

67T20

67U20

67U20

67U20

67U20

67V30

67W20

67W20

67W20

67W20

67W20

67W2P

68B30

71C30

74E30

76K4P

76N20

76U20

91B20

91B2P

91C20

91C20

91C20

91C20

91C2P

91C40

91D20

91K20

93F20

94B20

94B20

94B30

94B40

94B40

95C20

95D20

98C30

 

As mentioned above in the other quote the 11B2F I believe is the door gunner mos and the 11E will be a tank crewman, I believe that many Specialists 4 where promoted with the Armor MOS of 11E to Spec 5 instead of the hard stripe E-5 for the simple reason that there was no avialble leadership slots open within the tank unit ( tank crews not experiencing the high casuality rate as seen in Infantry line units ) and this Spec 5 although out ranking the E-4s obviously, he would be just another member of the crew, he most likely would be the gunner of the tank.

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FYI

Senior drivers and gunners were promoted to Sp5 in tank units. A command track gunner was usually a SGT and asistant tank commander. I was promoted to SP5 in 1966 as a senior tank driver and lateral to SGT when I was placed in a tank commander slot. So with a lot of experienced or senior tank crews like in Europe, it would not be unusual to have a SP5 gunner, a SP5 driver, a SSG tank commander and a PFC or maybe even a SP4 as a loader. It all depended on the senority of the crewmen available. In Nam I had a SP5 gunner, a SP4 driver and a SP4 loader for a time and then ended up with a SP4 gunner and PFCs for my loader and driver.

11Es had a high percentage causalty rate in Nam, maybe due to many of them being door gunners and the fact most of us had 11B as a secondary. I knew several tankers who were assigned as Infantry in Nam. A good friend of mine was a 11E tank driver in my platoon in Germany and ended up Infantry in the 196th in Nam.

Jim


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MOS SP5 SP6

11B10 4

11B1F 1

11B20 25

11B2F 4 1

11B2K 1

11B2P 1

11B2S 2

11B40 27

11B4P 1

11B4S 5

Total 71 1

 

Here are your sums


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CW2 Bernard E Meister 2/14/70

334th AHC 69/70 189th AHC 67/68 155th AHC 67

TAC Officer 1968 Fort Wolters

USMC 1956-1959

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FYI

Senior drivers and gunners were promoted to Sp5 in tank units. A command track gunner was usually a SGT and asistant tank commander. I was promoted to SP5 in 1966 as a senior tank driver and lateral to SGT when I was placed in a tank commander slot. So with a lot of experienced or senior tank crews like in Europe, it would not be unusual to have a SP5 gunner, a SP5 driver, a SSG tank commander and a PFC or maybe even a SP4 as a loader. It all depended on the senority of the crewmen available. In Nam I had a SP5 gunner, a SP4 driver and a SP4 loader for a time and then ended up with a SP4 gunner and PFCs for my loader and driver.

11Es had a high percentage causalty rate in Nam, maybe due to many of them being door gunners and the fact most of us had 11B as a secondary. I knew several tankers who were assigned as Infantry in Nam. A good friend of mine was a 11E tank driver in my platoon in Germany and ended up Infantry in the 196th in Nam.

Jim

 

Very informative direct from the sourse, see I was aware of tankers that could be Spec 5s, I knew this from resarching Tank crewmen that where killed.for some reason studying armor and tank crewmen is not as prolific as say Special Ops, aviation and Infantry Also I,ve know for a little over 30 years that you had the the only Medal of Honor awarded to a tank crewman, one Dwight Johnson a black tank crewman in the 1st BN 69th Armor, 4th Inf Division, he, a living reciepent being a Spec 5, he was a driver and held that Spec 5 rank at the time of the action on 13 January 1968 and was not promoted after the fact from E-4 to E-5. Thanks again for being there.

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In the 50s and 60s when Specialist 4-9 were still around, how common was it to find 11B's with a Specialist rank. I assume SP4's and SP5's were common, but what about Spec 6s and 7s. I know no solider ever made it to Spec 8 or 9, but I would think that finding an E-6 or E-7 that wasn't an NCO in the Infantry would be rare. Were radiomen condsidered 11Bs? I would understand them being Specialists since you don't really need NCO training to operate a radio.

 

In the 20+ years that I served as an Airborne grunt I never saw or heard of a SP5 or higher in a 11B slot. Lots of Speedy Fours. The Corporal (E4)was being phased out and the only way you made Corporal was by being busted from a higher NCO grade. Fortunately the Army saw the light and the Corporal has made a come back.

 

When I was promoted to SP4 I was nothing more than glorified PFC. We wearers of the "Sham shield" were not NCOs so we couldn't responsible for anything and we were too high a rank to pull the crap details, a perfect rank for doing nothing (almost). When my chain of command decided to give me more responsibility they made me an "AJ" (Acting Jack aka Acting Sergeant). I wore the stripes, I had the authority (and got the blame) but I didn't get the pay. After a few months I was promoted to a "hard striper".

 

Favorite question on NCO promotion boards:

If there is a group of soldiers consisting of four SP7s, three SP6s, two SP5s and a Corporal E4, who would be in charge?

Answer:

The Corporal ... because he is an NCO.

 

BEAR

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In the 20+ years that I served as an Airborne grunt I never saw or heard of a SP5 or higher in a 11B slot. Lots of Speedy Fours. The Corporal (E4)was being phased out and the only way you made Corporal was by being busted from a higher NCO grade. Fortunately the Army saw the light and the Corporal has made a come back.

 

When I was promoted to SP4 I was nothing more than glorified PFC. We wearers of the "Sham shield" were not NCOs so we couldn't responsible for anything and we were too high a rank to pull the crap details, a perfect rank for doing nothing (almost). When my chain of command decided to give me more responsibility they made me an "AJ" (Acting Jack aka Acting Sergeant). I wore the stripes, I had the authority (and got the blame) but I didn't get the pay. After a few months I was promoted to a "hard striper".

 

Favorite question on NCO promotion boards:

If there is a group of soldiers consisting of four SP7s, three SP6s, two SP5s and a Corporal E4, who would be in charge?

Answer:

The Corporal ... because he is an NCO.

 

BEAR

 

What was that saying in our day. F...ing up like a Spec 5 going to an NCO meeting !

 

This list that Memphismeister has painstakingly put up speaks for itself, but from what I and all the rest of the EX stumpjumpers from the 60s up till the early 80s know that there would Never be an 11B or 11C E-5 with the rank of Spec 5 in any slot within a Rifle platoon or Weapons platoon, the KEY words are RIFLE AND WEAPONS PLATOON. From looking at the UNITS of the listed men with Spec 5 ranks holding a 11 series Infantry MOSs I see many of them where in Aviation units and Air Cav units with a great many in MACV /Special Forces some are in units other than infantry like at least on in a engineer unit, one in a Supply & Transportation Battalion and two or three in Engineer units even one in a transportaion Battlion with yet another in a ARTY unit with still another in a Military Intelligence battalion, this obviously means that they where not in a rifle platoon, with some of them being in these units other than infantry, they are still holding the 11B series MOSs but are in these units in some other capacity and are no longer working in their MOS and have not been offcialy reclassified. the other special MOSs like that 11B2F for instance would be for non aviation trained Door Gunner, as most of you know the bulk of Door Gunners where trained helicopter mechanics who would fly with the birds they where in charge of as crewchiefs, this was part of their job.

 

There are a quite a few that where in Rifle companies and or Air Cavalry troops, here I'll wager that they where over in Headquarters platoon again, not working in their MOSs, one guy was in Headquarters, Headquarters of the 1st Brigade 1st Air Cavalry Division same deal not working in his MOS.

In these cases it's easy to see that if a E-4 was coming down for promotion, because of his new found position which would not require a leadership slot or if so one was not available at the time of promotion, then a promotion to grade of E-5 with the rank of Specialist 5th Class would not be out of line or out of the ordinary. what sort of jobs could a soldier with an 11B or C MOS be doing in the HQ Platoon of a rilfle company ? quite a few, to include Armourer, Supply, Truck and or Jeep driver, Truck and or Jeep mechcanic, Clerk/Typist, an additional Radio Operator/Signalman. In each case these men would not be branch school trained but where picked by merit in most cases with the confidence that they can learn and cope with these new responsibilities, for instance you would not see a problem child in a line platoon taken out and be given the all important position of company clerk now would we.

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What was that saying in our day. F...ing up like a Spec 5 going to an NCO meeting !

 

This list that Memphismeister has painstakingly put up speaks for itself, but from what I and all the rest of the EX stumpjumpers from the 60s up till the early 80s know that there would Never be an 11B or 11C E-5 with the rank of Spec 5 in any slot within a Rifle platoon or Weapons platoon, the KEY words are RIFLE AND WEAPONS PLATOON. From looking at the UNITS of the listed men with Spec 5 ranks holding a 11 series Infantry MOSs I see many of them where in Aviation units and Air Cav units with a great many in MACV /Special Forces some are in units other than infantry like at least on in a engineer unit, one in a Supply & Transportation Battalion and two or three in Engineer units even one in a transportaion Battlion with yet another in a ARTY unit with still another in a Military Intelligence battalion, this obviously means that they where not in a rifle platoon, with some of them being in these units other than infantry, they are still holding the 11B series MOSs but are in these units in some other capacity and are no longer working in their MOS and have not been offcialy reclassified. the other special MOSs like that 11B2F for instance would be for non aviation trained Door Gunner, as most of you know the bulk of Door Gunners where trained helicopter mechanics who would fly with the birds they where in charge of as crewchiefs, this was part of their job.

 

There are a quite a few that where in Rifle companies and or Air Cavalry troops, here I'll wager that they where over in Headquarters platoon again, not working in their MOSs, one guy was in Headquarters, Headquarters of the 1st Brigade 1st Air Cavalry Division same deal not working in his MOS.

In these cases it's easy to see that if a E-4 was coming down for promotion, because of his new found position which would not require a leadership slot or if so one was not available at the time of promotion, then a promotion to grade of E-5 with the rank of Specialist 5th Class would not be out of line or out of the ordinary. what sort of jobs could a soldier with an 11B or C MOS be doing in the HQ Platoon of a rilfle company ? quite a few, to include Armourer, Supply, Truck and or Jeep driver, Truck and or Jeep mechcanic, Clerk/Typist, an additional Radio Operator/Signalman. In each case these men would not be branch school trained but where picked by merit in most cases with the confidence that they can learn and cope with these new responsibilities, for instance you would not see a problem child in a line platoon taken out and be given the all important position of company clerk now would we.

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In these cases it's easy to see that if a E-4 was coming down for promotion, because of his new found position which would not require a leadership slot or if so one was not available at the time of promotion, then a promotion to grade of E-5 with the rank of Specialist 5th Class would not be out of line or out of the ordinary. what sort of jobs could a soldier with an 11B or C MOS be doing in the HQ Platoon of a rilfle company ? quite a few, to include Armourer, Supply, Truck and or Jeep driver, Truck and or Jeep mechcanic, Clerk/Typist, an additional Radio Operator/Signalman. In each case these men would not be branch school trained but where picked by merit in most cases with the confidence that they can learn and cope with these new responsibilities, for instance you would not see a problem child in a line platoon taken out and be given the all important position of company clerk now would we.

 

Well, it's not always as simple as it seems.

 

Personnel can't be promoted and assigned to any position willy-nilly. There has to be a vacancy for them somewhere in the TO & E.

 

If the TO & E called for a hard-stripe E-5 (Sergeant), the person filling that slot had to be a Sergeant, NOT a SP5. IIRC, a soldier could be assigned to a slot with rank of one up or one down - for an E-5 slot, you could assign an E-4 or an E-6, but it was frowned up and generally temporary. As short of manpower as we were, I don't recall ever seeing an E-6 in an E-5 slot.

 

The armorer, supply, driver, etc. positions mentioned, were, for the most part, part of the TO & E. But this is where it got interesting. Most of these slots called for a soldier of a particular rank and MOS. More often than not, in the infantry units I served in, these positions were filled by 11Bs because we simply didn't have the soldiers with the proper MOS. For instance: Quite often, the supply sergeant was an 11B, but his clerk might be a school trained supply-type. The guy who was performing duties as supply sergeant couldn't fill the supply sergant slot because he didn't have the MOS. So, what they did was leave him in his old slot - squad leader of 2nd squad in 2nd platoon for example, but he "performed duties" as company supply sergeant. Then, to even make it more interesting, when it came time for his annual evaluation, they had to dummy up some crap about his performance as a squad leader. Then, when he got assigned to a new unit, he probably got thrown into a squad leader position without having any real experience as one.

 

This happened all the time in just about evey position you can imagine during my time which was 1973-1993. Hopefully it has gotten better.


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Well, it's not always as simple as it seems.

 

Personnel can't be promoted and assigned to any position willy-nilly. There has to be a vacancy for them somewhere in the TO & E.

 

If the TO & E called for a hard-stripe E-5 (Sergeant), the person filling that slot had to be a Sergeant, NOT a SP5. IIRC, a soldier could be assigned to a slot with rank of one up or one down - for an E-5 slot, you could assign an E-4 or an E-6, but it was frowned up and generally temporary. As short of manpower as we were, I don't recall ever seeing an E-6 in an E-5 slot.

 

The armorer, supply, driver, etc. positions mentioned, were, for the most part, part of the TO & E. But this is where it got interesting. Most of these slots called for a soldier of a particular rank and MOS. More often than not, in the infantry units I served in, these positions were filled by 11Bs because we simply didn't have the soldiers with the proper MOS. For instance: Quite often, the supply sergeant was an 11B, but his clerk might be a school trained supply-type. The guy who was performing duties as supply sergeant couldn't fill the supply sergant slot because he didn't have the MOS. So, what they did was leave him in his old slot - squad leader of 2nd squad in 2nd platoon for example, but he "performed duties" as company supply sergeant. Then, to even make it more interesting, when it came time for his annual evaluation, they had to dummy up some crap about his performance as a squad leader. Then, when he got assigned to a new unit, he probably got thrown into a squad leader position without having any real experience as one.

 

This happened all the time in just about evey position you can imagine during my time which was 1973-1993. Hopefully it has gotten better.

My father was an E-5 sergeant in Vietnam, having graduated from the NCO course at Ft. Benning. When he was assigned to an infantry company in the 3rd Brigade 82nd Airborne in Vietnam, he was made a squad leader. Because of the way the 82nd had deployed on TDY after the Tet Offensive in February, 1968, many of its soldiers were not eligible for new tours in Vietnam. As a result, over half of the members of the brigade were returned to the U.S. over the late spring and summer of 1968. While this was going on, the brigade was also converting to a light infantry brigade which meant each infantry battalion was adding a Company D and E both from replacements as well as from its own existing assets. This was on top of the casualties the unit was suffering while in combat. At one point, my father's battalion was operating at less than half its authorized strength. As a result, there was a serious shortage of senior NCO's and he was made platoon sergeant even thought he was technically two grades below the normal rank for the position (E-7). There were also times when the platoon had no officer so he was also the acting platoon leader. After several months in the position, he was replaced by a newly arrived SSG (E-6) who had less time in the Army than my father but because he had been promoted to SSG after completing the Benning NCO course, he technically outranked my father so the company commander had no choice but to make him platoon sergeant and my father a squad leader again.

 

None of this is reflected in my father's 201 file however. It shows his initial assignment being as a team leader followed by his being a squad leader then reverting to team leader. On paper this was correct for his grade. And he said that when he was passing through the battalion rear getting ready to come home, he saw the company roster that listed higher ranking NCO's in the positions of platoon sergeants that he had never met. He assumed they were assigned to the company but were filling some job in the rear that wasn't part of the TOE like an NCO club manager and being carried on the books as being on the field.

 

I think I remember reading in Michael Lee Lanning's book, The Only War We Had, that when was assigned as a platoon leader with the 199th Infantry Brigade, on arriving at his company's forward firebase, his platoon sergeant and acting platoon leader was a Spec. 4 because of shortages. Just because you filled a particular position did not mean you automatically got the rank to go with it.

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Well, it's not always as simple as it seems.

 

Personnel can't be promoted and assigned to any position willy-nilly. There has to be a vacancy for them somewhere in the TO & E.

 

If the TO & E called for a hard-stripe E-5 (Sergeant), the person filling that slot had to be a Sergeant, NOT a SP5. IIRC, a soldier could be assigned to a slot with rank of one up or one down - for an E-5 slot, you could assign an E-4 or an E-6, but it was frowned up and generally temporary. As short of manpower as we were, I don't recall ever seeing an E-6 in an E-5 slot.

 

The armorer, supply, driver, etc. positions mentioned, were, for the most part, part of the TO & E. But this is where it got interesting. Most of these slots called for a soldier of a particular rank and MOS. More often than not, in the infantry units I served in, these positions were filled by 11Bs because we simply didn't have the soldiers with the proper MOS. For instance: Quite often, the supply sergeant was an 11B, but his clerk might be a school trained supply-type. The guy who was performing duties as supply sergeant couldn't fill the supply sergant slot because he didn't have the MOS. So, what they did was leave him in his old slot - squad leader of 2nd squad in 2nd platoon for example, but he "performed duties" as company supply sergeant. Then, to even make it more interesting, when it came time for his annual evaluation, they had to dummy up some crap about his performance as a squad leader. Then, when he got assigned to a new unit, he probably got thrown into a squad leader position without having any real experience as one.

 

This happened all the time in just about evey position you can imagine during my time which was 1973-1993. Hopefully it has gotten better.

 

This is all true in reguards to a Rifle Company in the 70s and 80s, in Vietnam it no doubt was differant in it being a matter of absolute need that troops in 11B MOSs be assigned to other duties, given the critical and chronic shortages of NCOs in Infantry units throughout the war it would seem that hard pressed COs and or 1st SGTs had no choice in most cases in assigning promising Spec 4s to other duties within the HQ platoon, I also would suspect that a far amount of these 11Bs that went over to HQ platoon may have had some kind of profile that prohibted them from further campaigning. Usually, if not all the time the men being assigned to those positions, would be chosen for these positions at their present rank, the rank they have at the time of their new assignment, they would not I imagine be simply promoted upon getting the new assignment, it would only be if they where coming down for promotions that they would be given the ranks of Spec 5 or 6 instead of a hard stripe, simply because this new assignment was not a leadership one, here the man would continue working outside his MOSs and it was in this rank in the performance of these duties when he was killed.

 

In all those other type units, the Spec 5s with 11B are at the same time easy to explain and not so easy. the Spec5 5s in the Door Gunner slots and the Green Berets seem straight forward enough, but the several that where in units where you would not find an 11B under any circumstances being are not so straight foward, here it would be easy to explain say the couple of them that where in the Engineer units that they where assigned as a security detail, but as far as I know individual Infantrymen where not assiged to security duties with these type of units but rather an entire unit from an adjacent infantry unit, normally a platoon, here where would be assigned to the enigneer unit but mirly attached for however long and if one of the Grunts was killed while being attached with his platoon to this Engineer unit his unit listing would be his parent unit say in example B co 1/5 INF 25th INF DIV not the engineer Battalion or Company. There is at least one 11B Spec 5 that was in a Transportation Battalion, he was killed in a convoy ambush, here I believe that 11Bs where assigned to these Transportation Battalion on a perminate bases as Machine gunners on those deuce and a half's supplementing the Transportation troops in manning the MGs with these troops having the same kind of poromtional slots as the Door gunners on choppers.

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