nuke41 Posted January 3, 2012 Author Share #26 Posted January 3, 2012 http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem....?Item=265779839 “RARE EW E W STONE KNUCKLE DUSTER KNUCKLES KNIFE WITH A M3 TRENCH KNIFE BLADE AND A M8A1 VICTORY PLASTIC SHEATH...WELL USED AND THE BAD PART !!! BLADE IS BROKEN AND I DONT HAVE THE OTHER PIECE ! VERY COOL KNIFE !” Now he's back to claiming it's an original. Cant he even buy an original M3 to use instead of a broken surplus store M7 bayonet and sheath? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuke41 Posted January 3, 2012 Author Share #27 Posted January 3, 2012 http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem....?Item=253443300 Not a Stone, but more recent foundry work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuke41 Posted January 3, 2012 Author Share #28 Posted January 3, 2012 http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem....?Item=256183498 “This is a US M8A1 B.M. CO. VICTORY PLASTICS sheath that has a broken snap and is well used but still useable,strap can be sewn back together.The knife is a m3 blade with a unusual lightweight (aluminium?) cast knuckle handle. This is a one piece knife,their is no grips ,screws,etc...its all solid.knife handle has some unusual stamps/proof type marks. I have never seen one like it..theater made knife of some type .Knife blade has been sharpened & has light wear and rust,handle has been used and has dings,dents,etc...but all is very useable.” I’m sure he’d “never seen one before”, until he pulled this one out of the casting sand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuke41 Posted January 3, 2012 Author Share #29 Posted January 3, 2012 http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem....?Item=257872934 “This is a US M8 B.M. CO. VICTORY PLASTICS sheath that has a broken snap and is well used but still useable,strap can be sewn back together.The knife is a m3 blade with a unusual lightweight (aluminium?) 1918 type cast knuckle handle. This is a one piece knife,their is no grips ,screws,skull crusher is part of the knife also,VERY SOLID FAST HANDLING KNIFE !...its all solid.knife handle has some unusual stamps/proof type marks,looks like a B and a TRIDENT I have never seen one like it..theater made knife of some type .Knife blade has been sharpened & has light wear and rust,handle has been used and has dings,dents,etc...but all is very useable.SEE PICS FOR CONDITION !” Same thing; stop using the modern Paki 1918 grips as a pattern and cheap M7 bayonets, it blows the whole effect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuke41 Posted January 3, 2012 Author Share #30 Posted January 3, 2012 http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem....?Item=259380113 “instant collection.... 4 unusual knuckle dusters....this is the alloy lot...see next auctions for brass,copper & silver lots. All are in used condition.skull version has KKK on all 3 skulls,all are 1 piece,spikes are not removeable etc...10.00 shipping !! buy it now ships free !!For 300.00 we will sell all the blackjacks and knuckles in other auction !! Shipped for 300.00 !! Let me know if you want this deal so I can discount the buy it now prices after you bid !” Instant collection; from my foundry to you, just send money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuke41 Posted January 3, 2012 Author Share #31 Posted January 3, 2012 http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem....?Item=264313291 “you are bidding on A OUTSTANDING WW2 CATTARAUGUS 225Q quatermaster theater knuckle duster knife ! original sheath has wear knife has been sharpened & used lots !!! lots of wear ! see pics for condition ! this is a very unique knuckle knife in design as it uses the original hammer pommel & guard with a custom knuckle handle to replace the factory leather handle ...very nice work on this knife !! I have never seen one like this ! SHEATH HAS A NAME & NUMBER ON BACK ***MELVIN B WALD 3730 ************************ INFO FROM A WW2 WB SITE !! WWII US 225Q Commando Fighting Knife - In the Burma Campaign, the Chindits, whose long range penetration groups were trained to operate from bases deep behind Japanese lines, contained commandos (King's Regiment (Liverpool), 142 Commando Company) and Gurkhas. Their jungle expertise, which would play an important part in many British special forces operations post war, was learnt at a great cost in lives in the jungles of Burma fighting the Japanese. The United States formed the Office of Strategic Services (OSS) during World War II under the Medal of Honor recipient William J. Donovan. This organization was the predecessor of the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) and was responsible for both intelligence and Special Forces missions. The CIA's elite Special Activities Division is the direct descendant of the OSS. In mid-1942, the United States formed the Rangers. The United States and Canada also formed a sabotage ski brigade for operations in Norway who became known as the Devil's Brigade, officially known as the First Special Service Force, during their eventual service in Italy. Merrill's Marauders were modelled on the Chindits and took part in similar operations in Burma. These specialized troops required specialized knives to do the job. Manufactured by Cattaraugus. The model 225q was designed for use by the US special forces. With a very stout blade measuring approximatlly 6 inches. Leather handle with a checkered pommel. The knife came with a leather scabbard.” Tired of Stone knives, no problem, let’s make something else. Wow, I’d buy this one just for the story alone. This knife may have been present when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuke41 Posted January 3, 2012 Author Share #32 Posted January 3, 2012 http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem....?Item=266793274 “buy it now ships for free !!! otherwise shipping is 10.00 for this monster blackjack & knuckle COLLECTION ! YOU ARE BIDDING ON A COLLECTION OF 4 RARE & UNUSUAL KNUCKLE DUSTERS IN SOME TYPE OF LIGHT BUT VERY STRONG ALLOY...VERY HARD TO FIND SET !!! ...solid brass sap blackjack impact club weapon ! 7.5 inches in length,appox 1 inch in dia...and around 2lbs in weight !! i replaced the rotted leather lanyard with a new one. Came from the estate of a railroad special agent...pics of gnry badge,and info on agent can be sent to buyer !!! he worked for the gnry in the 1960s ! jack club is marked GNRY and TRAMP TERROR ! I have never seen anything like this blackjack..very unusual !! knuckles are excellent designs also,feel greaqt in the hand !!!” Come on Arcane; spell check is your friend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuke41 Posted January 3, 2012 Author Share #33 Posted January 3, 2012 http://www.ebay.com/itm/170754114817?ssPag...984.m1423.l2649 “NO REFUNDS OR EXCHANGES ! ALL ITEMS SOLD AS IS ! EMAIL FOR MORE INFO OR PICS ! ALL ITEMS ARE OLD,BEAT UP AND WELL USED AND DESCRIPTION IS 100% HONEST ! NO BUYERS REMORSE,NO NOT AS DESCRIBED, BY BIDDING YOU AGREE TO THIS ! SORRY TO MANY BUYERS REMORSE FOLKS THESE DAYS ! I'm listing this as a reproduction, reissue even though the original seller insisted to me that it was original ww2 era ! YOU DECIDE , I will tell you what I was told. I am not a knife collector and am just more confused after researching this "modified" knife & the unmodified version that was with it in the box lot with some other military items. I was told This is a Ultra rare, and very sought after knife ! So I ,I took this to 3 ww2 collectors 1 said.. atlanta cutlery reproduction..i looked at the web site and this looks nothing like that knife and the atlanta knife has a leather sheath also. SEE FOR YOURSELF ! 2nd said...vietnam era theater knife unknown vintage or maker . 3rd said... it looks just like whats listed in the books under ew strone knives and let me take a pic of what he showed me in one of the books...see pics.” OK, enough from Gun broker, let’s see what “Arcane’s” alter ego is peddling on eBay. I would guess a “remorse buyer” is someone who buys a knife from Arcane/biquality and realizes they were defrauded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuke41 Posted January 3, 2012 Author Share #34 Posted January 3, 2012 http://www.ebay.com/itm/170722371067?ssPag...984.m1423.l2649 “THIS IS A VERY COOL THEATER KNIFE...its a v-42 handle cast on to a m-3 blade with a original u.s. M8 b.m. co. vp sheath. Handle looks to be alloy of some type ?? aluminium of some grade is my guess...very strong but very light. Nice detail of the v42 grip ! super cool skull crusher ! blade is sharp !! ALL ITEMS ARE USED & ROUGH ! see pics for condition. knife has been sharpened and has use,handle has use and is used ! sheath is old and intact but is USED & FRAGILE ! see pics ! This is a 1 PIECE KNIFE ...skull crusher grip cross guard blade all fused into 1 piece. blade is 6.5 inches lon and oal of knife is 12 inches !” Actually a decent looking knife and not a bad use of a surplus M7 bayonet, next time make sure you mention it’s NOT original. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Still-A-Marine Posted January 3, 2012 Share #35 Posted January 3, 2012 Thanks for posting. Bill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuke41 Posted January 3, 2012 Author Share #36 Posted January 3, 2012 If you are going to make fakes and market them as originals, don’t advertise that fact on your foundries web site (scroll down some when it opens): http://www.foundry101.com/ Since they may decide the pictures were a bad idea and take them off, I’ll attach them below. I guess if you want a cheap Stone copy and don’t mind the poor casting detail and totally unrealistic patina you can call 509-487-6832, be sure and ask for “Arcane”. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuke41 Posted January 3, 2012 Author Share #37 Posted January 3, 2012 And the finished product from the web site; it looks like a brass one. So there we have it, proof positive that “Arcane” has been selling newly made knives as Stone/period originals. And of course he’s set himself up along the way with a fine case of mail fraud; all the USPS inspectors have to do is read the posts in this thread. If anyone bought one of the knives he claimed were originals I’d use this link: https://postalinspectors.uspis.gov/forms/Ma...dComplaint.aspx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony-in-NH Posted January 3, 2012 Share #38 Posted January 3, 2012 That going to hurt him. Good job Nuke41 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
militariaone Posted January 3, 2012 Share #39 Posted January 3, 2012 I had been wondering about the specifics of the sudden glut of fakes out there from the Great North West. Thank you, nuke41 for your efforts to provide the explanation. There’s no excuse for not learning something every day from this forum. Again, thank you for providing us some clarity behind the deeds. Regards, Lance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Trzaska Posted January 3, 2012 Share #40 Posted January 3, 2012 If you are going to make fakes and market them as originals, don’t advertise that fact on your foundries web site ”. Simply outstanding Jeb, Thank You. All the best Frank Trzaska Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doyler Posted January 3, 2012 Share #41 Posted January 3, 2012 http://www.ebay.com/itm/170722371067?ssPag...984.m1423.l2649 "THIS IS A VERY COOL THEATER KNIFE...its a v-42 handle cast on to a m-3 blade with a original u.s. M8 b.m. co. vp sheath. Handle looks to be alloy of some type ?? aluminium of some grade is my guess...very strong but very light. Nice detail of the v42 grip ! super cool skull crusher ! blade is sharp !! ALL ITEMS ARE USED & ROUGH ! see pics for condition. knife has been sharpened and has use,handle has use and is used ! sheath is old and intact but is USED & FRAGILE ! see pics ! This is a 1 PIECE KNIFE ...skull crusher grip cross guard blade all fused into 1 piece. blade is 6.5 inches lon and oal of knife is 12 inches !" Actually a decent looking knife and not a bad use of a surplus M7 bayonet, next time make sure you mention it's NOT original. Find the V42 funny as he seemed to use a repro Chen 42 for the handle. The same narrow grip and overly downward bend of the cross guard as seen on the Chen fakes.A repro of a repro...so to speak Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunbarrel Posted January 4, 2012 Share #42 Posted January 4, 2012 I found interesting that someone who copies things left and right copyrighted (is that a word?) the website. The same person that wrote "g_d" with a lower case letter "g" ? Weird. Good detective work, Jeb. This is the last thing our hobby needs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuke41 Posted January 4, 2012 Author Share #43 Posted January 4, 2012 Good detective work, Jeb. This is the last thing our hobby needs. Thanks GB, I play analyst/detective for a living at work, its novel to do it for my hobby instead. What I don’t understand is why they don’t make new theater knives and sell them as such. Dale Sandberg at EDMF is the only current maker I know of and he’s way back logged, the market could use another new maker and they could avoid all the controversy and risk of being accused of defrauding people. I don’t care if they make Stone knives, as long as they ID them as newly made and have them marked to prevent them being sold down the line as period pieces. I bet an ad in Marine Times for newly made Stone knives would result in more work than that foundry could keep up with. Cheers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cromwell Posted January 4, 2012 Share #44 Posted January 4, 2012 Lots of work here ! Good Work ! But, to be fair I read it as most of those knives are sold as reproduction,recreations ? Going by the ads ? Their is also a lot of them, that were never sold looking at past sales on gb. The stone with the uniform pic was A no sale,the quartermaster knife was a no sale,etc. The eBay knife is listed as a reproduction,gunbroker knives are recreations,etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cromwell Posted January 4, 2012 Share #45 Posted January 4, 2012 Just to be fair,I am looking through ads and it looks like things are Not totally correct. I get that some ads should be more clear but most are and it looks like The unclear ads were unsold or pulled items. I do not have the time to look them all over but here are a few. I also looked over the eBay one and it is clearly listed as a modern reproduction ??? http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem....?Item=258354555 Recreation reproduction ad also states that it is been altered so it can Not be sold as original. http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem....?Item=264313291 No sale http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem....?Item=259403863 Sold as 70th reproduction Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cromwell Posted January 4, 2012 Share #46 Posted January 4, 2012 http://www.usmilitariaforum.com/forums/ind...amp;hl=Ew+stone As I stated in my above post,their are so many Eugene Stone style knives,It's crazy. See above link for more info. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cromwell Posted January 4, 2012 Share #47 Posted January 4, 2012 OP I called the number you listed ,ahh I suggest that you call it,as the lady said I was only caller. I had to leave message and got a reply within 20 min. The lady said those 2 knives were made for a customer quite a while ago & are posted as examples of items she has made. You may want to Throw your investigator hat back on for a few & rethink . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uplandmod Posted January 4, 2012 Share #48 Posted January 4, 2012 Just to be fair,I am looking through ads and it looks like things areNot totally correct. I get that some ads should be more clear but most are and it looks like The unclear ads were unsold or pulled items. I do not have the time to look them all over but here are a few. I also looked over the eBay one and it is clearly listed as a modern reproduction ??? http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem....?Item=258354555 Recreation reproduction ad also states that it is been altered so it can Not be sold as original. http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem....?Item=264313291 No sale http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem....?Item=259403863 Sold as 70th reproduction It also states that "These were cast from a original ew stone mold" Has the EW Stone estate loaned out the Molds to make these knives? LF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cromwell Posted January 4, 2012 Share #49 Posted January 4, 2012 It also states that "These were cast from a original ew stone mold"Has the EW Stone estate loaned out the Molds to make these knives? LF I am not real sure their is a original mold. I know Dale at edmf cast a bunch of ew stone knives up at Stone jr request but those were cast off a supplied ew stone sr cast Knife . I think these knives are all cast in a sand mold. The foundry link in op info above was interesting & tells all about How things are cast. It's like a copy of a copy of a copy etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cromwell Posted January 5, 2012 Share #50 Posted January 5, 2012 I also noticed as I was looking over the ad history Those items you postedlook sell for 50.00 to 199.00 not a big profit ! IMO The other ones listed for high money never sell ! Just Years of listening to my dad who was a defense attorney, is coming out . Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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