Norton Posted August 7, 2011 Share #1 Posted August 7, 2011 I found this phot at my mom's house last night The captions says JFK greets Troops at Hanau Germany June 23 1963 The uniform looks like French Lizard but the hat looks to be Duck Hunter and is that a scarf around his neck? What is with the Iraq war full color US flag on his sleave and Tanker rig on his side? I blew the photo up and you can clearly see detail. I would understand a US officer wearing a French set in France or SVN. But in the FDR 1963. Anyway I just wanted share as it caught my eye Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elbertson Posted August 7, 2011 Share #2 Posted August 7, 2011 Maybe they were doing camo pattern field testing, and the flag patch was to denote him as a US soldier to avoid confusion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwb123 Posted August 7, 2011 Share #3 Posted August 7, 2011 What is with the Iraq war full color US flag on his sleave and Tanker rig on his side? I blew the photo up and you can clearly see detail. I would understand a US officer wearing a French set in France or SVN. But in the FDR 1963? US troops who were on special missions or deployments often wore a US flag on their sleeve long before Iraq. As stated, it was to make them stand out from soldiers from other countries, especially when you had multil-national, humanitarian, or peace keeping operations taking place. The example below is a Vietnam era Jungle Jacket worn by the 101st sometime in the 1970's. As far as wearing foreign camo...who knows. Joint operations with the French? Or maybe just a special unit that wanted to stand out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattD Posted August 7, 2011 Share #4 Posted August 7, 2011 I found this phot at my mom's house last nightThe captions says JFK greets Troops at Hanau Germany June 23 1963 The uniform looks like French Lizard but the hat looks to be Duck Hunter and is that a scarf around his neck? What is with the Iraq war full color US flag on his sleave and Tanker rig on his side? I blew the photo up and you can clearly see detail. I would understand a US officer wearing a French set in France or SVN. But in the FDR 1963. Anyway I just wanted share as it caught my eye If I recall correctly there are pics of a LRRP unit in Germany wearing french camo uniforms, dated from the 1960s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattD Posted August 7, 2011 Share #5 Posted August 7, 2011 If I recall correctly there are pics of a LRRP unit in Germany wearing french camo uniforms, dated from the 1960s http://www.usarmygermany.com/units/corps/P...%20LRRP%205.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwb123 Posted August 7, 2011 Share #6 Posted August 7, 2011 http://www.usarmygermany.com/units/corps/P...%20LRRP%205.htm Looks like the same spot camo patrol caps as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoovieDude Posted August 7, 2011 Share #7 Posted August 7, 2011 Interesting topic! And great website too, just had it sent to me earlier this morning by a good friend Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norton Posted August 7, 2011 Author Share #8 Posted August 7, 2011 If I recall correctly there are pics of a LRRP unit in Germany wearing french camo uniforms, dated from the 1960s Thank you.. I had to post the photo you attached. US troops with M 14s , wearing Lizard.. Note the Birch Stock on M 14 number four. That is why I like this board so much. If I see a interesting photo that could have a story behind the picture, I will hear the details. Maybe tanker rig 45. is their officer Thank you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoovieDude Posted August 7, 2011 Share #9 Posted August 7, 2011 Thank you.. I had to post the photo you attached. US troops with M 14s , wearing Lizard.. Note the Birch Stock on M 14 number four. That is why I like this board so much. If I see a interesting photo that could have a story behind the picture, I will hear the details. Maybe tanker rig 45. is their officer Thank you Further down the page, there is another picture showing him briefing JFK, and he ID'd as Captain Carlton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwb123 Posted August 8, 2011 Share #10 Posted August 8, 2011 Further down the page, there is another picture showing him briefing JFK, and he ID'd as Captain Carlton. Great work! That solves that mystery and all makes sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kammo-man Posted August 8, 2011 Share #11 Posted August 8, 2011 The Cap is hand camouflaged , I have one in my collection . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
treetop Posted August 9, 2011 Share #12 Posted August 9, 2011 Regarding the French lizard pattern camo, I just spoke with a buddy who served in 5th Corps LRRP in the 1960's. He said they couldn't cet cammies through supply as the US wasn't making them yet. They bought local camoflage uniforms- both German camo, as well as the Lizard pattern camo favored by the FFL. Another thing they did was to trake their boots to a german shoemaker and have them re soled with German or other eastern block countries soles so that if they "Accidentally" went on a patrol over the border, their bootprints couldnt be identified as USA. Somewhere in my dungeon, I have a picture of him wearing this same uniform with the huge mountain rucksack and M-14 rifle. Hope this helps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
treetop Posted August 9, 2011 Share #13 Posted August 9, 2011 One other thing in addition to the above info, sometimes, people would take a normal issued OD patrol cap and use a laundry marker to make it camoflage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norton Posted August 9, 2011 Author Share #14 Posted August 9, 2011 Regarding the French lizard pattern camo, I just spoke with a buddy who served in 5th Corps LRRP in the 1960's.He said they couldn't cet cammies through supply as the US wasn't making them yet. They bought local camoflage uniforms- both German camo, as well as the Lizard pattern camo favored by the FFL. Another thing they did was to trake their boots to a german shoemaker and have them re soled with German or other eastern block countries soles so that if they "Accidentally" went on a patrol over the border, their bootprints couldnt be identified as USA. Somewhere in my dungeon, I have a picture of him wearing this same uniform with the huge mountain rucksack and M-14 rifle. Hope this helps. Great bits of information you posted on this topic. Again in 1963/64 the only full sets of camoflage uniforms in the US supply chain would be WW 2 stocks. So a European based LRRP unit wearing in-country purchased European camo would make as much sense as Army Advisors buying Tigerstripe in Vietnam or Marine advisors having Mitchells made on Okinawa 1963/64. The bootprint part made sense also. I had a late 1950s B&W photo of US paratroops on exercise in Italy wearing a odd looking Camoflage steel pot covers. I thought they were made from a US parachute fabric, but now I wonder if it was from Italian shelter halves. That would follow suit with your post. Late 1950s few Mitchell camo covers in the pipeline for Army troops. You have a exercise with Italian paratroops and they give for your unit from their stocks or they let them cut up worn out shelter halves so they would look good offical pictures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m1ashooter Posted August 9, 2011 Share #15 Posted August 9, 2011 Very cool pictures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sgtdorango Posted August 10, 2011 Share #16 Posted August 10, 2011 I have seen pics and film footage of US paratroopers, i think 11th AB in Germany at the airborne school there during the 50s, im thinking it was 55-57 with them wearing WWII German SS camo as helmet covers!...i know it sounds crazy, but i can dig out the link.....mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoovieDude Posted August 10, 2011 Share #17 Posted August 10, 2011 I have seen pics and film footage of US paratroopers, i think 11th AB in Germany at the airborne school there during the 50s, im thinking it was 55-57 with them wearing WWII German SS camo as helmet covers!...i know it sounds crazy, but i can dig out the link.....mike That would be cool! I know I used repro smocks, soft caps and helmet covers a few times when were playing OPFOR internally for my Battalion. You could tell right away who was a student of WW2, as they immediately recognized it for what it was. Of course, I had my commander keeping a close eye on me after that, especially when he asked me if I was a Nazi, or modern Neo type for wearing it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kammo-man Posted November 29, 2018 Share #18 Posted November 29, 2018 Bringing this back up..... Anyone seen anymore Lizard pics ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M422A1 Posted November 30, 2018 Share #19 Posted November 30, 2018 I have seen pics and film footage of US paratroopers, i think 11th AB in Germany at the airborne school there during the 50s, im thinking it was 55-57 with them wearing WWII German SS camo as helmet covers!...i know it sounds crazy, but i can dig out the link.....mike I have seen these pictures, too. Maybe on the War Relics forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kammo-man Posted November 30, 2018 Share #20 Posted November 30, 2018 I would love to see that ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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