Post Your WWI Collar Disk

[37thguy]

...Oh and these four:

 

P (above)=Philippines

 

P (centered)= Pioneer

 

PR (below)= Puerto Rico

 

DB=Disciplinary Barracks

[Firstsonsofthenation]

Please post this sort of thing in the "Wanted" section.

 

http://www.usmilitariaforum.com/rules/

 

If anyone has these disks for sale please let me know!

 

 

301 HQ, A, B, C, D, E, F, I, K, L, M, MG, and S

 

302 HQ, A, C, D, F, G,I, K, L, M, MG, and S

 

303 HQ, B, C, E, F, H,K, L, M, MG, and S

 

304 A, D, E, F, G, I, K, L, M, MG, and S

 

301 FA HQ, A, B, C, F, G, H, I, K, L, M, and S

 

302 FA A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H, I, K, L, M

 

303 FA HQ, B, C, D, G, H, I, K, L, M, and S

[amedaglia]

I'd like to start my first post by thanking all the veterans in this forum for your service.

 

On to my post. My grandfather recently passed away and I was left his collection (presumably given to him by his father as a child) of military insignia mostly from WWI thru the mid-1920's. Most of his collar disks are, from what I can tell, of the Type II variety, so please let me know if this is the wrong thread.

 

All my info so far comes from the Encyclopedia of United States Army Insignia and Uniforms by William K. Emerson which, while it has a great deal of information, obviously can't cover everything. This is why I'm hoping that the folks on this forum can help out with some of the more interesting/confusing pieces.

 

I'll start with the disks I know to be from WWI. Nothing too out of the ordinary from what I've seen.

 

Pair of collar disks from C Company, 17th Infantry.

 

Standard issue US collar disk.

 

Air service collar disk. Not sure what the discoloration is caused by arond the edges of the wings/propeller.

 

On to the Gilt (Type II, right?) collar disks. What years were these issued? I know they are post-WWI and pre-WWII, but I'm not sure exactly which years these were in use.

 

 

Unauthorized musician's collar disk. According to the book I have this was unauthorized, but still widely worn. Any more info on this practice?

 

 

On left I assume is another musician's collar disk, although I couldn't find it in my book. On the right is an engineer's collar disk.

 

 

Top row: Finance Dept.

Bottom row left to right: Cavalry, Field Artillery, Coastal Artillery, Quarter Master.

 

And the last two that have been causing some confusion.

 

 

A motor transport corps disk. As far as I can tell from my book, these Type II disks didn't go into production until 1923, but the book also says that the motor transport corps was disbanded shortly after WWI. Just a little confused as to when and why this disk was made.

 

 

 

Here's one cthomas might know a thing or two about. The following quote from The Encyclopedia of United States Army Insignia and Uniforms specifically addresses this piece: "The gilt disk shown [...] is incorrect in both color and design. As authorized in bronze, the winged world globe was superimposed on the flags, not above them. To date we do not know anything about the manufacture or use of this disk."

 

The encyclopedia also says, "Several of these gilt insignia are known, but their history is unclear, since gilt disks did not come into use until 1923, five years after the Signal Corps and aviation functions had separated."

 

 

Any thoughts on the history of these two disks? Specifically curious if any new info might have come up regarding the air service/signal corps disk.

[Argonauts2]

And the last two that have been causing some confusion.

A motor transport corps disk. As far as I can tell from my book, these Type II disks didn't go into production until 1923, but the book also says that the motor transport corps was disbanded shortly after WWI. Just a little confused as to when and why this disk was made.

Here's one cthomas might know a thing or two about. The following quote from The Encyclopedia of United States Army Insignia and Uniforms specifically addresses this piece: "The gilt disk shown [...] is incorrect in both color and design. As authorized in bronze, the winged world globe was superimposed on the flags, not above them. To date we do not know anything about the manufacture or use of this disk."

 

The encyclopedia also says, "Several of these gilt insignia are known, but their history is unclear, since gilt disks did not come into use until 1923, five years after the Signal Corps and aviation functions had separated."

Any thoughts on the history of these two disks? Specifically curious if any new info might have come up regarding the air service/signal corps disk.

 

 

 

Here is a nice Collar Disk for the 31st. Infantry, which is part of my Philippine collection. Joe

[Argonauts2]

Here is a nice Collar Disk for the 31st. Infantry, which is part of my Philippine collection. Joe

 

 

Another addition is the 57th Infantry, which became a Philippine Scout regiment in the Philippines. Joe

[Argonauts2]

Another addition is the 57th Infantry, which became a Philippine Scout regiment in the Philippines. Joe

 

 

Here is a very rare Philippine Constabulary Collar Disk For the Philippine Constabulary. This disk is made by C. Zamora and is only one of two I have been able to acquire over the years. Joe

[Argonauts2]

Here is a very rare Philippine Constabulary Collar Disk For the Philippine Constabulary. This disk is made by C. Zamora and is only one of two I have been able to acquire over the years. Joe

 

 

Here is a very clean Philippine Constabulary Medical Div Collar disk. Joe

[Argonauts2]

Here is a very clean Philippine Constabulary Medical Div Collar disk. Joe

 

 

Another early Philippine Collar disk. Joe

[cthomas]

Joe-

In regards to your gilt Air Service collar disc, I am very skeptical about the authenticity of this piece. Sometimes you'll even find a subdued (blackened) example. Do you have a scan of the back?

 

Thank you for posting some rare Philippine Constabulary discs. I enjoyed seeing these rare pieces of history.

[cthomas]

Good evening & welcome to the USMF. I do not have my WWI order of battle in front of me, otherwise I'd give you some background on the 17th Infantry.

 

In regards to the Air Service disc, that discoloration you noted is old polish.

 

My focus has been Air Service for a while now. If you have any more collar insignia from this branch of service that you would like identified, don't hesitate to send me a PM.

 

-Chuck

 

I'd like to start my first post by thanking all the veterans in this forum for your service.

 

On to my post. My grandfather recently passed away and I was left his collection (presumably given to him by his father as a child) of military insignia mostly from WWI thru the mid-1920's. Most of his collar disks are, from what I can tell, of the Type II variety, so please let me know if this is the wrong thread.

 

All my info so far comes from the Encyclopedia of United States Army Insignia and Uniforms by William K. Emerson which, while it has a great deal of information, obviously can't cover everything. This is why I'm hoping that the folks on this forum can help out with some of the more interesting/confusing pieces.

 

I'll start with the disks I know to be from WWI. Nothing too out of the ordinary from what I've seen.

 

Pair of collar disks from C Company, 17th Infantry.

 

Standard issue US collar disk.

 

Air service collar disk. Not sure what the discoloration is caused by arond the edges of the wings/propeller.

[Ronald]

Here is the only disc I have but it is on a campaign hat. It is for Chemical Corp. Ron

[Ronald]

Hopefully this was the correct place post. Ron

[Ronald]

Hello

Was this authorized or was the soldier at liberty to modify the hat? Ron

 

Hopefully this was the correct place post. Ron

[atb]

Hello

Was this authorized or was the soldier at liberty to modify the hat? Ron

No, collar disks were not authorized to be worn on the service hat. The Chemical Corps disk on your hat is upsidedown. After WW1, in the 1920's when DUIs were worn on the service hat, they were attached below the front ventilation eyelet by punching a hole through the material.

[SEABEEBRIAN]

Can anyone explain the MRG collar disk? I believe I have read that it stands for Mansfield Rear Guard but I can't figure out what that was. I also purchased an Iowa State Guard collar disk a while back. How common / uncommon are those?

 

Brian

[gpw_42]

http://www.usmilitariaforum.com/forums/ind...st&p=206895

 

Many years ago, Naugatuck Novelty Company, a sutler for CW re-enacting...For many years after, they re-struck WW1 era collar disks using these dies.

 

Since they used original dies, the front of the disk is identical to those worn during the war. Fortunately for collectors, they used very distinctive back hardware for their re-strikes, making it possible to tell the "old old" from the "new old

 

As you can see, there is a small hump around the shank, and the nut has a distinctive dimple or relieved area on one side. Occasionally, you will see a WW1 era nut mated with one of these disks, but the best "tell" remains the small raised "hump" around the shank.

 

Another

 

* Photographs are from the www.

Chris

 

Chris,

 

Are ALL disks with the hump on the shank repros? This is a scary proposition...

 

Thanks,

Steve

[pacressman]

Originally. the Air Service was attached to the United States Signal Corps. It wasn't until a bit later that they had become a part of the Army (Army Air Service). Nice early one that you have their, with an earlier design to boot!

 

The collar disc with just wings is state side deployment.

The collar disc with wings on the world is over seas deployment.

Same goes for officers collar insignia.

[WS60]

dug out on central Ukraine

 

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[Usa1918]

These are the six variations of the WWI Air Service enlisted disk in my collection. The first disk from the left on the bottom row is the french made "chocolate" disk. Can anyone tell me the unit with the "1" over the 4 sided prop? The first from the right in the top row has a silver prop.

 

That would be the 1st Aero Squadron New York National Guard

[Mitter2k1]

A while back I posted my small collar disk collection. Someone requested that I posted pics of the backs. Here they are, so enjoy.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And this is the only fake I think I have. It appears to be made of some kind of white metal painted brown. I think it was one I had acquired in a lot of a couple other disks.

[Mitter2k1]

Thanks for looking and any info on them or if there are any fakes please let me know.

[Sabrejet]

You might want to add post #16 to the thread below for reasons which will be obvious!

 

http://www.usmilitariaforum.com/forums/index.php?/topic/160786-army-officers-regimental-pin/page__st__20#entry1217249

[Mitter2k1]

You're talking about the 2nd Inf. Co. E correct?

[Sabrejet]

You're talking about the 2nd Inf. Co. E correct?

 

 

The Company "K" disc with the crossed Springfields.

[Mitter2k1]

Thank you and it has been posted