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As My son and I were going through 1.000s of rounds of ammo and brass of his late Brother-in-laws stuff up popped this. A 30-03 round for the 1903. The first caliber before they retooled the round in 1906 which became the 30-06. Robert

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Neat catch! Never seen one before, but that's really cool...hang onto it!

 

Will it chamber in an '06? Looks like it, but I don't remember what changed with the move from '03 to '06, and all my references are packed up to move.

 

Steve

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Looks like the brass neck is longer on the '03?

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I believe that the 30-06 case is about .07" shorter than the 30-03, so the 30-03 will not chamber in a 30-06 rifle. Ammo experts can trump me, I'm not a cartridge collector, but my brother is and IIRC, that's what he has told me. Thanks, Al Hirschler in Dallas.

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according to the NRA magazine the 30-06 will fire in the 30-03 but not the reverse. I guess there are civilian rifles out there chambered in the 30-03 but all military were converted. Robert

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That's a nice piece, it's a commerical loading with a soft point on it for hunting.

 

The .30-03 or .30 M1903 cartridge was the subject of some criticism during it's short service, it is believed to have seen use in the Philippines around 1905-1906. The two major differences are the round nose bullet and slightly longer case neck.

 

The cartridge was superceded by the .30-06 in late 1906 following a major redesign of the springfield's sights and bayonet.

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..but I don't remember what changed with the move from '03 to '06, and all my references are packed up to move.

 

Steve

 

 

The case case neck is longer and the switch to a shorter neck on the .30-06 required the chambers to be shortened which was accomplished by removing the barrels and turning the breach end down to the new length.

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Thanks, gents, for the clarification on what changed. Neat hunting round!

 

Steve

I remember:

Chris Ingrassia (9/11) CPT Tristan Aitken (OIF, 2003)

MAJ Paul Syverson (OIF, 2004) CPT Tom Miller (OIF, 2005)

SSG Scottie Bright (OIF, 2005) CPT Chris Petty (OIF, 2006)

MAJ Hurley Shields (OIF, 2008)

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Neat catch! Never seen one before, but that's really cool...hang onto it!

 

Will it chamber in an '06? Looks like it, but I don't remember what changed with the move from '03 to '06, and all my references are packed up to move.

 

Steve

It was to replace the 30 ARMY ( 30-40 KRAG ) which was adopted in 1892. Like the 30-40 KRAG it used a 220 grain round nosed full metal jacket bullet. However, the 03 increased the muzzle velocity by about 100 fps ( 2300 fps. ) although the M1903 rifle had a shorter barrel. A crash program was instituted and in 1906 a modified version of this cartridge was adopted as the 30 CALIBER, MODEL of 1906. That loading featured a lighter spitzer 150 gr bullet and the case neck shortened by 0.07" and the Velocity was increased to 2700 fps. The spitzer bullet had a much shorter bearing surface so the existing rifles were modified by turning the barrels back by 2 threads and recutting the chambers. In 1926 the ARMY switched to a 172 gr 9 degree boattail bullet and called it BALL, CALIBER 30, M1 The velocity was the same as the 150 gr load but later changed to 2640 fps. In 1940 the 150 gr flat-base bullet was re-adopted and called CARTRIDGE, BALL, CALIBER 30, M2 and used in WW11 The army went back to the 150 load because they had problems adapting the M1 GARAND to use the 172 gr load. The heavier boattail was superior for machinegun use because of the greater max range of 6000 yards compared to the 150 gr load with a max range of 3500 yards. In EUROPE THE 30-06 is known as 7.62x63mm and widely used. Despite its short life, this cartridge like the 30-06, was found in JOHN M BROWNING'S WINCHESTER MODEL 1895 LEVER ACTION RIFLE. Compared to the 30-06, the 30-03 offers no advantage as a sporting round. The 30-06 was 2.109" long from the base to the bottom of the neck and 2.494'' long from the base to the top of the neck tip. and .340" wide at the case mouth. I could not find any 30-03 measurements in my reloading manuals. The 30-06 can be chambered and fired in any rifle made for the original 30-03 round but not reversed because of the longer case neck length. Shooting the 30-06 in 30-03 rifles gave poor accuracy.

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And the .30-03 had severe complaints of barrel erosion due to the heavy bullet, I think it was said that the barrel life of the .30-03 was something in the neighborhood of 1-2,000 shots before it was considered "worn" beyond accurate use.

 

The .30-03 measurements can be found in Brophy's book I think.

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Heres the 30-03 on the left compaired to some 30-40 Krag rounds. You can see the similairites. But I think the better Mauser rounds is what caused the demise of the 30-03. Robert

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Nice .50-70, they used 1863 Springfields with a sleeved barrel as you noted. By cutting away the rear (breach end) of the barrel and adding a new made hinged breech block they converted several thousand muzzleloading percussion rifles to metallic cartridge breechloaders.

 

The "Wagon Box Fight" in 1868 is one of the most famous events the second Allin 1866 Springfields were used in.

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