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My thought is that these are both Belgian CdeG fourrageres. The veriation is probably because of different manufacturers. I think both are US made though.

 

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Interesting, it seems like there is a difference of opinion on these two shoulder cords. I'm not an expert by any means on CDG Fourragere's, but I thought the one on the left was definitely a French CDG Fourragere since it was my Grandfathers. When I got the other a few days ago, I originally thought it was a Belgium CDG Fourragere because of the slightly lighter color in the red, however, after spending much time in this thread looking at what everyone else posted I kinda thought this was a French Fourragere as well, with the red being a little more faded that the other one, or possible just a different manufacturer. After looking here and elsewhere, I too think these are both WWII French CDG Fourragere's.

 

I appreciate any and all further comments gang, thanks, Sean

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Here's mine, I always thought it was a Belgium fourragere. think.gif

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"Old tankers never die, they just smell that way!"

A co. 4/73rd Armor, 1st Infantry Division (Forward)

 

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Found some links to good pictures of the French and Belgian Croix de Guerre Fourrageres. Hope these help :)

 

Belgian Fourragere (WWII).

http://www.vanguardmil.com/store/index.php...age&pID=155

Red cord with green flecks.

 

French Fourragere - Croix de Guerre colors (WWI)

http://www.vanguardmil.com/store/index.php...age&pID=158

Green cord with thin red stripes

 

French Fourragere - Croix de Guerre colors (WWII)

http://www.vanguardmil.com/store/index.php...age&pID=157

Cord has red and green stripes of approximately equal width.

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Hey Pat, Your Fourragere looks pretty much like the two that I have as well. Both of mine have the square wool pice on the end too which goes through the button. So guys, which fourragere's do we have here (D.A.T. and I)?

 

Jeff, are these both WWII French CdG Fourragere's then? Those pic's from the link above are pretty good, although they are modern construction, but if they are based of the original's from WWII then I would say they are "right on". I've seen quite a few different variations on the forum here, so thats why I was questioning what exactly I have.

 

Pat, I'm glad you have the same fourragere that I do, now I don't feel so bad :lol:

 

Does anybody have any good quality pic's of their WWII CdG French and Belgium Fourragere's out there?

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Well if they're French Fourrageres, then I would not be dissapointed, it would make me one happy individual! :D

"Old tankers never die, they just smell that way!"

A co. 4/73rd Armor, 1st Infantry Division (Forward)

 

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Here are four examples of the WW1 French Croix de Guerre fourragere. The two to the left are wool, those to the right are synthetic -- probably nylon. Note the red/green stripes. Units awarded these in WW1 still wear them!

 

Hi Gil.

 

Hope all is well.

 

Just curious, are the two on the right WWII vintage or post war?

 

I have 4 101st named Ikes that have them on them. Hard telling, but the heroes that wore them could have put them on at any time.

 

Thanks in advance. Rich

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Quick question for everyone-

I'm working on a project for school that involves my grandfather's involvement in WWII. He was a Sgt. in the 2nd Battalion, 7th Infantry Regiment from the 3rd Infantry Division. I have been able to identify all of this ribbons from his medal rack except for one. The colors on it match his shoulder cord so I'm guessing that they belong together. However, I have not been able to identify or figure out how he recieved it. If anyone can identify the shoulder cord and the ribbon I would greatly, greatly appreciate it.

Thank you,

Amy =]

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Hi Amy, welcome to the forum!

 

The ribbon in question is the French Croix de Guerre, albeit the World War I design. The World War II design looks like this:

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During the war, troops often mixed up the two ribbons or substituted the WWI ribbon for the WWII one if there were none of the latter to be had. Normally they'd have a device on them: a Bronze Palm (for mentions in Army dispatches), a Gold Star (for mentions in Corps dispatches), a Silver Star (mentions in Divisional dispatches), or a Bronze Star (mentions in Brigade or Regimental dispatches).

 

The shoulder cord is called a fourragere, and is a unit award issued by the French. This one is in the colors of the Croix de Guerre, and it was awarded when the unit in question was twice mentioned in French army dispatches (which would have rated two awards of the Croix de Guerre medal).

 

Hope this helps!

Jeff C.

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Hi Amy, welcome to the forum!

 

The ribbon in question is the French Croix de Guerre, albeit the World War I design. The World War II design looks like this:

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During the war, troops often mixed up the two ribbons or substituted the WWI ribbon for the WWII one if there were none of the latter to be had. Normally they'd have a device on them: a Bronze Palm (for mentions in Army dispatches), a Gold Star (for mentions in Corps dispatches), a Silver Star (mentions in Divisional dispatches), or a Bronze Star (mentions in Brigade or Regimental dispatches).

 

The shoulder cord is called a fourragere, and is a unit award issued by the French. This one is in the colors of the Croix de Guerre, and it was awarded when the unit in question was twice mentioned in French army dispatches (which would have rated two awards of the Croix de Guerre medal).

 

Hope this helps!

 

Thank you so much for this information! Now I understand why his ribbon did not match the design of the WWII style. This helped me out a lot and I greatly appreciate it!

Thanks again,

Amy =]

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Great informations:

 

FOURRAGÈRE AU TITRE DE LA GUERRE 1914-1918

 

1°- Fourragère aux couleurs du ruban de la Médaille Militaire

 

Section sanitaire américaine n° 646 [ ex-S.S.U. n° 5 ] ( 21/03/1919 ) ; 15e régiment d’infanterie de l’armée portugaise ( 04/04/1958 ).

 

2°- Fourragère aux couleurs du ruban de la Croix de Guerre 1914-1918

 

États-Unis : Section sanitaire américaine 539 ( 21/03/1919 ) ; Section sanitaire américaine 625 [ ex-S.S.U. n° 1 ] ( 21/03/1919 ) ; 18e régiment d’infanterie américain ( 25/08/1919 ) ; 9e régiment d’infanterie U.S. ( 28/08/1919 ) ; 23e et 28e régiments d’infanterie américains ( 28/08/1919 ) ; 5e et 6e régiments d’infanterie de marine U.S. ( 28/08/1919 ) ; 6e bataillon de mitrailleurs U.S. ( 28/08/1919 ) ; 16e et 26e régiments d’infanterie U.S. ( 03/02/1920 ) ; 2e et 3e bataillons de mitrailleurs américains ( 18/06/1920 ) ; 2e régiment de génie américain ( 31/08/1920 ) ; 1er régiment de génie américain ( 18/12/1920 ) ; 1er bataillon de mitrailleurs américain ( 18/12/1920 ) ; 5e, 6e et 7e régiments d’artillerie américains ( 18/12/1920 ) ; 2e bataillon de transmission américain ( 18/12/1920 ) ; 4e bataillon de mitrailleurs américain ( 08/08/1921 ) ; 12e, 15e et 17e régiments d’artillerie de campagne américains ( 08/08/1921 ) ; 1st Field signal battalion et les services ( 08/08/1921 ).

 

FOURRAGÈRE AU TITRE DE LA GUERRE 1939-1945

 

1°- Fourragère avec olive aux couleurs du ruban de la Médaille Militaire et aux couleurs du ruban de la Croix de Guerre 1939-1945

 

États-Unis : 16th, 18th et 26th infantery regiments U.S. ( 01/12/1950 ) ; 5th et 7th field artillery battalions U.S. ( 01/12/1950 ) ; 1st engineers battalion U.S. ( 01/12/1950 ) ; 1st signal company U.S. ( 01/12/1950 ).

 

2°- Fourragère aux couleurs du ruban de la Croix de Guerre 1939-1945

 

753rd tank battalion 36th I.D.U.S. ( 08/08/1950 ) ; 434th et 439th troop carrier groups ( 01/12/1950 ).

 

1St. infantry division : Headquarter and headquarters company ( 01/12/1950 ) ; Artillery headquarter and headquarters battery ( 01/12/1950 ) ; 32nd et 33rd field artillery battalions ( 01/12/1950 ) ; 103rd antiaircraft artillery automatic weapons battalion ( 01/12/1950 ) ; 1st reconnaissance troop ( 01/12/1950 ) ; 1st médical battalion ( 01/12/1950 ) ; 701st ordonnance light maintenance company ( 01/12/1950 ) ; 1st quatermaster company ( 01/12/1950 ) ; Special troops headquarter ( 01/12/1950 ) ; Military police platoon ( 01/12/1950 ) ; Band ( 01/12/1950 ).

 

7th armored division : 17th et 31st tank battalions ( 01/12/1950 ) ; 23rd armored infantry battalion ( 01/12/1950 ).

 

104th infantry regiment U.S. ; 82nd airborne division : Headquarter and headquarters company ( 01/12/1950 ) ; 325th glider infantry regiment ( 01/12/1950 ) ; 505th, 507th et 508th parachute infantry regiments ( 01/12/1950 ) ; 82nd airborne signal company ( 01/12/1950 ) ; 307th airborne medical company ( 01/12/1950 ) ; 80th antiaircraft artillery battalion ( 01/12/1950 ) ; Headquater and headquaters battery and batterys A, B, C ( 01/12/1950 ) ; 307th airborne engineer battalion companies A et B ( 01/12/1950 ) ; Artillery headquarter and headquarters battery ( 01/12/1950 ) ; 319th et 320th gilder field artillery battalions ( 01/12/1950 ).

 

3rd infantry division U.S. ; 106th cavalry group headquarter ; 106th cavalry regiment ; 121st reconnaissance squadrons group ; 4th armored division : Combat command A, B, R ( 01/12/1950 ) ; Headquarter and headquarters company ( 01/12/1950 ) ; 8th, 35th et 37th tank battalions ( 01/12/1950 ) ; 10th, 51st et 53rd armored infantry battalions ( 01/12/1950 ) ; 25th cavalry reconnaissance squadron ( 01/12/1950 ) ; 24th armored engineer battalion ( 01/12/1950 ) ; 144th armored signal company ( 01/12/1950 ) ; Artillery headquarter and headquarters battery ( 01/12/1950 ) ; 22nd, 66th et 94th armored field artillery battalions ( 01/12/1950 ) ; Trains headquarter ( 01/12/1950 ) ; 126th ordonnance maintenance battalion ( 01/12/1950 ) ; 46th armored medical battalion ( 01/12/1950 ) ; Military police platoon ( 01/12/1950 ) ; Band ( 01/12/1950 ) ; 489th antiaircraft artillery automatic weapons battalion ( 01/12/1950 ) ; 704th tank destroyer battalion ( 01/12/1950 ).

 

79th infantry division : Band ( 01/12/1950 ) ; Artillery headquarter and headquarters battery ( 01/12/1950 ) ; Headquarter and headquarters company ( 01/12/1950 ) ; Special troops headquarters ( 01/12/1950 ) ; Military police platoon ( 01/12/1950 ) ; 79th quatermaster company ( 01/12/1950 ) ; 79th reconnaissance troop ( 01/12/1950 ) ; 79th signal company ( 01/12/1950 ) ; 304th engineer combat battalion ( 01/12/1950 ) ; 304th medical battalion ( 01/12/1950 ) ; 310th, 311th et 312th field artillery battalions ( 01/12/1950 ) ; 313rd, 314th et 315th infantery regiments ( 01/12/1950 ) ; 463rd antiaircraft artillery automatic weapons battalion ( 01/12/1950 ) ; 779th ordonnance light maintenance company ( 01/12/1950 ) ; 813rd tank destroyer battalion ( 01/12/1950 ) ; 904th field artillery battalion ( 01/12/1950 ).

 

9th infantry division : 1st battalion, 39th infantry regiment (17/06/1961).

 

From: http://www.france-phaleristique.com/accueil.htm

 

My best,

 

Ricardo.

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Thank you so much for this information! Now I understand why his ribbon did not match the design of the WWII style. This helped me out a lot and I greatly appreciate it!

Thanks again,

Amy =]

You're welcome :) Always glad to help.

Jeff C.

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Just wanted to add the fourragere worn by the honor guard at the Panmunjom peace negotiations during the Korean War.

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Here is an example of this fourragere on a uniform that a friend found and sold to me. I did move the two loops over the arm...they are actually a little dirtier in the areas that would be dirty in this position, so I assume this is the original method of wear. It looks fancier this way, too. Regardless, a nice original example.

 

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Rob

Exhausting & Dirty Work



Interested in buying identified or re-searchable Korean War uniforms, groupings, medals and more.

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Speaking of oddities...

 

Here's one... it has the same colors as the cap piping of the Air Corps, blue and orange.... it's pretty beat up, with the yellow insides... feels like cotton...

 

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-Sarah

 

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