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The title of the thread say's it all. Upon first seeing it, like many just marked it to the watch page and went on looking for new listings. Latter that day I went back to look closely and DID NOT like what I saw. With two days left, it sits at 12 bids (7 inuque bidders) at $810 presently...

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The bended knee is not a tradition of our Corps. (General A. A. Vandegrift, USMC, 5 May 1946)

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In the view above on can see a casting of near perfect character, however the long/lat lines have been "tooled" after the maker cast the emblem. The second concern was the overall softness - as is to often seen with these fakes. And finally the "patina" is not of the natural aging one would expect to see....

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The bended knee is not a tradition of our Corps. (General A. A. Vandegrift, USMC, 5 May 1946)

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The hallmark is clearly unsatisfactory, void of the crisp strike you will see in following post. The maker even went to the point of slightly bending the screw-post... only someone who is trying to decieve... ;)

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The bended knee is not a tradition of our Corps. (General A. A. Vandegrift, USMC, 5 May 1946)

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Note lack of detailing across rope areas - Note where the lat/log lines have been hand worked for more detail...

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The bended knee is not a tradition of our Corps. (General A. A. Vandegrift, USMC, 5 May 1946)

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same as front - lacking details - hallmark stinks...

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The bended knee is not a tradition of our Corps. (General A. A. Vandegrift, USMC, 5 May 1946)

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I saw that the other day and had wondered about it. Have there been any suspected fakes come on the market before? I know from a forum search that fake Pasquale wings have been somewhat common.

 

Considering how much a real one could bring, it would be worth a counterfeiter's time to make just one of these.

 

The poor quality photos don't help things. The seller does have some acknowledged repros and they have nice sharp photos :)

 

Well it'll be interesting to hear some other comments on this piece. Anyone care to guess what a known good one would sell for... $2K?



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Teufelhunde, thanks for taking the time to point out all those fine points that show this EGAs faults. That was an excellent lesson, I learn so much here from you guys, thank you.

 

Dennis


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Teufelhunde, thanks for taking the time to point out all those fine points that show this EGAs faults. That was an excellent lesson, I learn so much here from you guys, thank you.

 

Dennis

 

Dennis, I was just fixing to post the exact same response!

 

Darrell, thanks so much! A picture is worth a thousand words. It is really evident when you point out the details! You are a wealth of knowledge...

 

....Kat


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Teufelhunde, thanks for taking the time to point out all those fine points that show this EGAs faults. That was an excellent lesson, I learn so much here from you guys, thank you.

 

Dennis

There is always somthing to be learned - no matter how long one has been at it...

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It is really evident when you point out the details! You are a wealth of knowledge...

Actually - I think I've been burned enough by these phonies to have learned to be suspicious and just maybe have learned a thing or two along the way... AND a thanks to other collectors who are willing to share their knowledge!

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Note lack of detailing across rope areas - Note where the lat/log lines have been hand worked for more detail...

 

Boy that (lack of) rope detail is a real contrast. I took an image of a real one from your thread at http://www.usmilitariaforum.com/forums/ind...showtopic=55024 and blurred that to make it look like the one on Ebay, then enlarged the one on Ebay and sharpened it. Even with several laers of blur applied to the real one, the contrast in the rope is clear as a bell.

 

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Boy that (lack of) rope detail is a real contrast.... and blurred that to make it look like the one on Ebay, then enlarged the one on Ebay and sharpened it. Even with several laers of blur applied to the real one, the contrast in the rope is clear as a bell.

:thumbsup: :thumbsup: - Your way ahead of me in getting these done, Thx, saves me time setting up other comparision shots!

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As I have learned from the great collectors on this Forum, "the devil is in the details", washed out form and lack of detail, inconsistant with age, big red flag


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As I have learned from the great collectors on this Forum, "the devil is in the details", washed out form and lack of detail, inconsistant with age, big red flag

:thumbsup: after our phoncon yesterday, I knew it would be needed to do these comparision pic's... bingo! "the devil is in the details" as you say...

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The bended knee is not a tradition of our Corps. (General A. A. Vandegrift, USMC, 5 May 1946)

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Teufelhund,

 

I must say how much I appreciate all of the effort you made to clearly point out the faults of this EGA. The comparison photos with an original are magnificent! You made a serious contribution to the collective knowledge with this one.

 

Hats off to you,

 

John


Top dollar paid for WWI AEF Tank Corps uniforms, medal groups, equipment and photos,
unit histories and rosters...especially anything associated with

301st (Heavy) Tank Bn
Drop me an email and let me know what you have.

 

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Darrell,

 

Very nice work on this, I must say I wasn't sure on this one until you pointed out the differences.

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Darrell,

 

Very nice work on this, I must say I wasn't sure on this one until you pointed out the differences.

 

Darrell - As I said on the phone yesterday I wasn't sure. "Is it Real? Or is it Memorex?" :think: I said I would like to have it in hand before opining. Seeing your full Outstanding Forensic Numismatic workup I too am now convinced it's bogus!! :thumbdown: You are really a great EGA detective! :thumbsup: Thanks.......Semper Fi......Bob


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"I have only two men out of my company and 20 out of some other company. We need support, but it is almost suicide to try to get it here as we are swept by machine gun fire and constant barrage is on us. I have no one on my left and only a few on my right. I will hold." (Message sent by 1st Lt. Clifton B. Cates. USMC, 96th Co., Soissons, 19 July 1918 - later 19th Commandant of the Marine Corps 1948-1952)

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Outstanding work! Might not have saved the bidders, but you definately saved a lot of people on the board. Thanks!

 

-Ski


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Pte Harold Griffiths, 1805, 1/6th Manchester Regt, KIA June 4th, 1915 in Gallipoli
Cpl Isaac Judges, 40494, 6th East Yorkshire Regt, KIA October 3rd, 1917 in Ypres
May they rest in peace.....

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Outstanding work! Might not have saved the bidders, but you definately saved a lot of people on the board. Thanks!

 

-Ski

 

Even in the face of such evidence there are some who will roll the dice: I am surprised there are still the same 12 bidders, which proves there are 12 semingly serious EGA collectors who don't read this forum :)

 

When you get to spending serious money you want to use the same standard used in jury trials: "beyond a reasonable doubt." The seller has chosen to market a potentially very valuable item with small, poorly lit, out-of-focus photos and what they reveal does not stand up against the real thing. I know that's reasonable doubt enough for me when something could sell for $1,000 or more.



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Sold for $898

 

Had it been the real thing I think it would have gone a lot higher. Personally I'd expect a real one to go for twice that on a good day.

 

There were seven bidders but only two stayed in after this thread started.



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