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  1. It is almost certainly a fake. The yokes look identical to a run my friend made years ago out of original French materials. The liner also appears to be a P55 type made with olive green canvas webbing which the French never received, all of their liners were of ww2 surplus.

    I'll take some more pics but the liner suspension is tan, just darkened. Also, see the M1C snap on the liner?


    What is the difference between mine and the one the other person posted?

  2. The back of the meat can pouch, showing the style of buckle attachment unique to the USMC depot. (Non-depot-made examples feature brass loops attached to the middle of the web tabs rather than at one end, although the depot is known to have manufactured the former variety as well; in these cases, fabric color and/or the presence of a depot stamp must be used for identification.


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    Wow I did not know that. That's great information.

  3. Your cover is good, but when people bring up the "pac man" pattern, that is not a good thing. Your cover has the irregular "lima bean" shape, but this image illustrates the "pac man" found on repro covers.


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    Here are some close ups of it. Why is it bad to bring up pacman? It's only bad if the pacman doesnt have the spacing between the colors like in your picture. That it means it's a repro. Mine clearly has the spacing. Is that what you're saying?


    Close ups of pacman on my cover:



  4. The second pattern cover (the one with buttonholes) is a reproduction. I owned that cover long enough to have the opportunity to thoroughly examine and compare it to an original. The double chain stitching on the brown side (center seam) and the tooth stitching on the edging was correct. The double chain stitching is easy to reproduce and is not a credible point of reference in determining the authenticity of the cover as machines that create a double chain stitch that is exactly like the stitching on an original cover have been around for quite some time. Furthermore, the same can be said for the tooth stitching on the edging of the covers. Both the double chain stitching on the center seam and the single tooth stitching on the edge can be found on a reproduction cover.


    Anyone that works in the textile industry and is familiar with sewing machinery will tell you that these two stitches are quite common and are not unique to the WWII era. In fact, replicating the exact same camouflage pattern would be more difficult than replicating the double chain and tooth stitching. Reproducing the stitching (and the way that the cover is sewn together) is easier to replicate than it is to replicate the exact pattern. A good seamstress can cut two pink and white colored floral patterned material in the same manner as a WWII helmet cover, double chain stitch the two halves together and run a tooth stitch along the edging and produce a match to the stitching on an original WWII cover.


    Compare the two covers in the photos below. The second pattern is a bonafide repro. The first pattern is the cover in question. The patterns on the two covers are so identical that one might rightly suspect that they came from the same bolt of cloth. Note that the colored areas on each cover are in the exact same location and are in the exact same proportion. The covers are identical twins - either could be said to be a clone of the other. It is easier to replicate the double chain and single tooth stitching than it is to replicate this pattern match to this degree. It is a perfect match.


    On a final note, the name "Tropp" stamped on this item does not give the cover credibility (no way - no how). As a US Marine, I was issued a rubber stamp and rubber letters that could be assembled to stamp my name on my clothing issue. The letters slid into a track in such a manner that there was a track above and below the name. Failure to wipe the ink off the tracks would leave a line above and below the name stamp. These lines were called "railroad tracks" and were considered a discrepancy in a uniform inspection. Note that there is a line above the name and a trace of a line below. These are the railroad tracks I'm referring to.


    One cannot authoritatively state that "Tropp" is the name of the original owner or that the name stamp is WWII era. These name stamps may still be issued to Marines to mark their clothing issue to this very day. I still have my stamp and could easily stamp the name "Puller, L.B" on a repro cover and claim that it belonged to Lewis B. "Chesty" Puller. Heck, I could even stamp "Tropp" exactly as you see it on this cover.


    This cover has not been authenticated as original. http://www.usmilitariaforum.com/forums/public/style_emoticons//thumbdown.gif

    The summary of this argument is as follows.


    1. Stitching is easy to replicate and should not be an indicator of a genuine cover.


    2. Any cover that matches this pattern is fake.


    I know this is an old thread but am I missing something? Every bonafide real cover out there matches the shapes he identified in this so called "fake" pattern. I figured this thread needs some closure because I dont see any basis to state that the pattern usmc grunt identified is fake. Could someone please explain his rationale to me?

  5. There was one thread where someone was saying that stitching is easy to replicate and that the colors are what to look at. It’s all very confusing. I will say that I’m starting to regret buying it since I can’t really display it without chinstrap slits.

  6. After years of searching, I finally acquired a full set of USMC gear as used during the 1914 occupation of Vera Cruz, Mexico. These have been listed as the 1912 Uniform Regulations or M1904/08 Gear. It consists of the following:


    -M1907 USMC Cartidge Belt with Eagle and Anchor Snap (Mills)

    -M1912 USMC Suspenders (Mills) (1914 Date)

    -M1904/08 USMC Haversack that attaches to the belt (Phila. Depot) (1912 Marked)

    -M1904/08 USMC Blanket Bag (Phila. Depot) (1912 Marked)

    -M1910 USMC Canteen with Eagle and Anchor Snap (Not marked but I think Depot Made)

    -M1912 USMC First Aid Pouch (Not marked but I think Depot Made)




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