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mtnman

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  1. I have been seeing a few of these Meyer wings suddenly appearing, specious to the core as far as I'm concerned. Some have warped flat rear presentation and some an undulating dip in the shield as this one. Be very careful gentlemen.
  2. That's my Patrick, always steering me in the right direction 👍😜 !!! 😺 Timothy says hello by the way! Also gentleman, regarding the Sterling Wing above, these sometimes come with a black backing of fabric with two holes to accommodate the pin and the catch. If you ever get the opportunity to pick one up with an authentic backing, it is a real treat.
  3. If you look at the 1920's bullion wing, you will see the exclusively 20's identifying patterns indicative of the period. The bullion for instance, has thickening padding beneath the shield bullion which raises it above on the depth dimension, the rest of the bullion. The bullion itself has the french, WWI size and aesthetic to it. The shaping of the wing is exclusive to the 1920's variance between an extended linear aesthetic and this type which is more organic....
  4. Beautiful lapel insignia from the 20s with brilliant bullion work fashioning concatenated faceted bullion with coiled wire bullion.
  5. Wings rear. You can see the 1920s pilot wing with the thick silver construction and the massive findings with the exquisite pin assembly. Just beautiful, strong, elegant and powerful.
  6. When I first purchased these, I had not perfected my cleaning process and they turned out relatively well but there was a lot of corruption still on the bullion but once I moved back to North Carolina a few years ago I had the time to work on it and the latest cleaning is nothing short of the best of the best, it got all the brown out!
  7. I thought you guys might enjoy as much as I do, the post yearly cleaning beauty of these gorgeous 1920s insignia from an Air Service Major who was very likely a World War 1 pilot who stayed in after the war in the much depleted ranks of pilots during the twenties. I received these Wings and rank and collar insignia from the friend of the wife of the pilot. I tried diligently but she would not divulge the name per the request of the lady who had been her friend and the wife of the late pilot. When the crud and patina first washed away from these, I couldn't believe my eyes. It took years to perfect my little mixture of depleted and diluted tarnish remover and other super secret ingredients 😉 and I do not recommend anyone else try it unless they're ready to make the mistakes I had to make. But anyway here is the result of the latest cleaning this year. Enjoy...
  8. Wow Jay! Thank you so much for giving us a new link into the origin of this wing, giving time parameters based upon another piece of insignia with this very rare and unique pin catch. Robbins Co of Attleboro Massachusetts, interesting. Being the only company of verifiable credentials to use this catch other than the wing we know of is food for thought and further research. Well done sir!
  9. Thank you so much for taking the time to give me this invaluable information. My collecting interest in zip close is based upon the intimate connection between the soldier and the lighter which I will explain a little later but I have to go help my friend move. Could you take a moment though if you have time, to explain how best to use the 4 manuals I have ordered 3 of so far, in my collecting? Is it to get a clear and distinct visual Gestalt of what an authentic Vietnam era zippo looks like?? As one aspect of the books' use anyway. I am sure there are more poignant ends a collector historian utilizes the book to reach.Could you give some thoughts on that for me if you have time, thank you so much. The facts you're giving me as to the difficulty in finding a true lighter makes them that much more precious. Just like the wing section of collecting which I also focus on, there are distinct tells that begin to come clear in the minds of true collectors who pour themselves into the Honorable, disciplined, discerning, consistent journey of discovery. It is a journey tempered with love of history and the men proceeding with intent to stand fast and charge hard, even unto life's edge and beyond, in the convictions of their universal ideals. These men are the chisels God uses on the tablets of time and space to inscribe the events of the resplendent epic that is the account of man, under God. The men who pursue collecting with such marked abandoned, look so diligently at the truth that even minuscule corruptions thereof, the tells of artifice and guile, dawn clearer and clearer as the truth of the relics of that time dawn clearer and clearer. It sounds like you were on the trail of several of those tells in your treatise above. Thank you again. mtnman
  10. Can't thank you enough Bob, I just picked up my first one that you had pointed out. Bob, I guess the Zippos you were talking about that are made in the last 30 years, were lighters that these counterfeiters in Vietnam picked up, making sure that they were made from the time of Vietnam war and then they would simply carve them up and give them fake patina? I guess the vast majority of the ones sold on eBay or fakes? And Bob, as far as dating the lighters, you know the technical data needed to identify the make of the lighter itself, what book should I get for that or will these books you guided me to give me that information? Thank you so much
  11. I am starting my field gear collection with zippo's from Vietnam and World War II. Can anyone give me guidance regarding the best reference books for zippo lighters with the war orientation World War II through Vietnam?? Thank you so much for your time and if I'm in the wrong place moderator, please move me to an appropriate section. Blessings in your collecting gentleman
  12. Wow..... Just splendid.... Whoever was blessed to pick these up received an excellent stamping. What I really enjoyed about this particular wing is the fact that I would not clean it and I am a cleaner, because I love the glorious eminence of a cleaned wing. In this particular case though, there is a rare and objective balance presenting an aesthetic attraction inescapable to my eyes. The balance lies in the image disseminated a middle ground between to active factors. First I perceive the fingerprints of time's dark greys and browns revealing its patient and enduring attentions coupled with and quckened by the pilot's touch and possibly those who would await his return from the firmament, his beloved gazing in proud awe at the symbol of her man's dedication and strength of mind and body.... Then, burgeoning from behind this layer of history, the underlying radiance of the silver erupts with every opportunity to be known by sight; the underlying metal known as precious reveals why as it thrusts the light revealing its presence into the ether, rising from under the differing ocolluding densities of the ingredients coalescing into evidential appearance of time's passage and man's interaction with this tiny monument to the history our pilot's life was part of constructing. Splendid Indeed
  13. I agree John , this is a splendid and unique wing with characteristics aforementioned, which point to early post World War 1 perspective on the overall design and manufacturing of wings . I respect everybody's considerations on wings, especially until we have it nailed down to a definite conclusion. This wing to me points to an earlier construction with the apparent characteristics of the transitional approach to the aesthetic & construction model of wings just after WWI. They landed like a big flop after the World War I wing complexity with multiple and interdependent contributing pieces which came together with transcendent creativity arriving at the aesthetic gestalt envisaged. This WWI model, more indicative of earlier centuries' respect for their warriors and a desire to honor them with heraldic, marshall, handsome grace to the insignia, transitioned like a summer rose dying on the stem. There came a forced bland uniformity in the new design against which there was a great backlash. The wingmakers at this point seem to try nobly to bring out the glory of a solid oak than a rose. The wings proposed at that time by so-called "artistic" authorities absolutely and unequivocally emphasized a uniformity stripped of creativity. The wingmakers did their best to give some sense of creative absistence (to stand apart from ex. "absistence" from the group) to the new wings and this included the massive pin and hinge, solid, heavy, masculine feel to the wings themselves, a touch of Elegance in the pin catch like the wing noted above, leftover from the World War I creations of Glory and Majesty. That transition period right after WWI with the precipitous decline in creativity produced the characteristics extant on this wing and I personally find those filled with exemplary attempts to give the wings a strength and masculine feel that a warrior would be proud to wear. It certainly stands apart from the wings of World War II in general with its flattered broader shield and a fletching configuration that hovers between smooth and crisply defined, with a perfect balance, and I love the undulating dip on the rear of the shield that gives it an extra dimension of complexity to the to the rear as a backdrop to that glorious giant pin and most elegant pin catch. Anyway, I have already said that it baffles me that the wing is still available at the price it is but I guess that's a matter of choice. I guarantee you I would have bought it if I didn't have one that I finally found after searching for a few years in the early days.
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