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  1. Howdy; Am engaged in a research project regarding civilian and military pack frames of the 1950s-70s. I've come across a manufacturer called Himalayan Industries (AKA Himalayan Pak Company and Himalayan Equipment). In 1958 the owner and principal designer, Richard Gerstle Mack, completed a contract with Natick Laboratories for "Design, development, and fabrication of a prototype alpine and arctic individual load carrying, plus drawing." Himalayan used a special heat treating process for aluminum frames that set it apart from civilian pack frame manufacturers of the time and subsequent designs and added features to thier civilian pack catalog mirror the development of Army pack frames in the period between LINCLOE and the Alice Pack. This includes multiple locations for load shelves, quick release pack straps, and attachment of the pack bag over the top of the frame versus using straps to secure the bag to the frame. In 1964, he filed a patent for a pack frame design that is remarkably similar to the Alice system, and I am told that Alice pack bags fit perfectly on this and other Himalayan Pak frames. Himalayan also manufactured pen flares that it sold to civilian leisure boat owners (and possibly the military) and a frame for support of SCUBA tanks. Mack was a 1948 Yale Graduate and pledged to Skull & Bones the same year as George H.W. Bush and worked for the State Department in Viet Nam for 18 months during the conflict. This suggestes to me that he may have been fairly well plugged in with the movers and shakers in the procurement and development process and was able to use these contacts to good effect. In 1967, Himalayan turned over marketing and sales of its consumer products division to Bear Archery and in 1969 sold the civilian side of its pack frame and bag fabrication business to a company in Arkansas. I am wondering how involved Mack was with LINCLOE and the pack and frame design process that culminated in the Alice system, as well as whether the company produced any of the frames. I see where its possible that some of the features of his civilian packs came as a result of his participation in the design process, and that the 1965 patent may have been an attempt to protect ideas he had developed while in the development process, and if he had decided to take the company out of the civilian market in order to concentrate and fulfill Army contracts. Much of my research has been posted to a Facebook page and might help you to help me: facebook.com/pg/SargeVining/photos/?ref=page_internal
  2. Here's the photo reference I found on the web. The caption reads that its a "1916 pattern cotton pull over" Its difficult to tell the material in both pictures. Perhaps I'm being influenced by the fading of the example Ihave as its quite light. The original color is a more darker kahki, with more "green" in it than the WW2 khaki uniforms.
  3. I have seen one photo reference on the web that identifies a Punitive Expedition 10TH Cav Officer as wearing a cotton pull over, but the photo was not conclusive. This does conflict with the previous claim that these were issued for the cotton tunics, but hour supposition makes a good deal more sense. The individual to whom the foot locker was named joined the VT NG in 1916 right after the Columbus Raid and served some time on the border. This would explain his having an issue that would not be found with draftees and volunteers after the Declaration of War in 1917. It may be an explanation for the Daisy Mae. That one is a puzzler as the construction is different frolm the M1918 models that are encountered and reproduced. it might also be something particular to VT NG as well.
  4. Thanks for the quick reply. I've had this for close to 20 years. never sen one before, and not since. Any idea of value? Any ideas oln the Daisy Mae here? http://www.usmilitariaforum.com/forums/ind...showtopic=44203
  5. In my previous post, I metioned that I had two items that I can't ID properly. The other item is a "Daisy Mae" type hat. The crown is made of four segments, and there is no reenforcing at the stiching as there is in the 1918 Fatigue caps. The crown is made of a very light weight, almost see through cotton khaki, while the brim is of much heavier material and has 16-17 rows of stitching. The crown is lined with another lightweight see through but somewhat stiffer material, and there is a painted cloth sweatband. There are no size or contract tags, and no evidence of ther having been any I picked it up a number of years ago on the supposition that it may be a pre-WW1 (say M1903) fatigue cap. The materials used in construction suggests that they wouldn't last as long as the later models. Anybody have any ideas?
  6. I've got two pieces in my collection that I am convinced are military, but thus far I have not been able to find any documentation. Theres a lot of pics, so I'll make two posts. First is a khaki cotton shirt. It was in a foot locker full of other definate WW1 gear and uniforms of a guy who served overseas late in the war and through the Army of Occupation period. He apparently took advantage of that time to travel as one of the items was a canteen cup listing all the places he'd been to, including "Itley" in 1919. The shirt has the exact pattern and method of construction as the M1916 wool shirt, but in khaki cotton Links are dead and have been removed- drt, 5/21/14 The elbow patch on the right sleeve is missing, and there is damage to the cuff. A wool M16 shirt in the foot locker had exactly the same kind of damage. The missing elbow patch gives us an idea of the original color: and turning the back inside out does as well: Thre is also a tag that is the same approximate size and in the same location as the contract tag on the M16 wool shirt, but its completely faded and unreadable: At one point, someone told me that this shirt was issued post WW1 for wear with the cotton tunic. Does anyone have an citation or reference source that could prove/disprove that?
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