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  1. Thanks. I'll pass the information along. My friend said he tried to register at this site to ask the question himself at my urging but had some unknown to me difficulty doing so. .
  2. So it's a sweetheart pin? Something a soldier would have sent as a momento to someone back home?
  3. A friend of mine came into possession of a nearly dime size disk that he thinks may be a collar pin for a military unit pre WWII. Any guess about this disk origins?
  4. The 1st Brigade of the 9th Division in Vietnam was the "Recondo" Brigade and used the recondo emblem. Nobody went to a recondo school. When the 1st Brigade pulled out of Vietnam in the summer of 1969 the 6th of the 31st was moved to the Third Brigade and lost the emblem as they became part of the orphan Go Devil Brigade.
  5. M1 Carbines were frequently "mixmasters" when they left the ten factories that were making them in WWII. The factories all shared parts and any rifle with one arsenal stamp on the receiver would likely have a different factories stamp on other pieces. http://www.uscarbinecal30.com/ After WWII rifles got parts during refurbs from foreign contries as well.
  6. Bingo on the McDonald suspect. http://www.ebay.com/itm/VINTAGE-US-WWII-CIVILIAN-DEFENSE-AIR-RAID-WARDEN-STEEL-McDONALD-CO-HELMET-/291953964360?hash=item43f9cff548 The 31st never worked within the continental US until late 20th Century. They wouldn't have ever likely to have needed a civilian Air Raid Warden helmet.
  7. What attracted me to this is that I run a website for the 6th battalion of the 31st Infantry. This helmet that recently sold on ebay is advertised as Co. K 31st Infantry with the painted markings saying so along with a mysterious. M.S.T. What's said is WWI 31st Infantry with "rare" BB7 liner. The 31st was on the Siberian expedition after the war was over but didn't fight in the actual World War. The most mysterious thing to me is the way the liner is attached to the helmet. There are welded hangers in multiple places that no other military hat of that vintage has...at least as I can find on the internet. I think it may be some kind of civilian construction helmet. Anybody ever heard of a rare "BB7" liner ? Anybody think this is "real"? I didn't even bid on it so somebody who bought it either did really good or they made a big , but not real costly, mistake. http://www.ebay.com/itm/201738901408?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
  8. I was browsing ebay and noticed a Vietnam era compass for sale. The date of the compass was stated as 1971. Then I looked at his photos and there was one photo in the batch that showed a soldier with a like compass in his hand. That photo was of me and he had gotten it through some kind of Google search or he had gotten it from a post at my website. What he seemed to be suggesting was that the compass he was selling was the same one in the photo of me holding a compass. But.. the image was from an old snapshot with the margin showing the date of 1970 printed as the year of development...... just barely visible from an enlarged image. If someone looked closely it would have been obvious that compass in the photo couldn't have been a 1971 production model.. I messaged the seller ...who had pages and pages of military stuff on ebay.. and he said it was "public domain'" since it was found in an Google search and he wasn't removing it nor stating there was no connection between the photo and the compass. Ebay apparently wasn't interested. In any case, after several weeks of not selling at $68 or $69 opening bid it went away only to be relisted.....but this time without my photo.
  9. As long as the guy wasn't in the 1st Brigade of the 9th..... I'll believe the Recondo School. No argument.
  10. Unless the guy was in the 1st Brigade of the 9th Division in Vietnam. The Recondo Brigade.
  11. You are right in that this string has probably gotten my blood pressure up more than it needs to. I'm done discussing it. 63 recon go take a look at the photo I posted and tell whoever is still interested what the differences are.
  12. The point was that the "administrator" who is so certain of the validity of the original patch in question is not really all that reliable in his assertion based on only a photo image. That's the only reason the recondo patch was brought up. If you want the name of the person with the hat I could give it to you but he isn't at the heart of this argument. The point is that the validity of the provenance of the patch in actual question is unproven at best. One , to me likelyexpert opinion, given to me by veterans of an actual radio recon group, with no patches to sell, says it is bogus. Show me some proof that the real patch in question is real that it is a genuine relic of the Vietnam war first then we have something to talk about.. I know what the true story is as far as the recondo patch I put in a post is. He didn't go to any Recondo school.
  13. Nothing like a nice " friendly" well fought discussion is there?
  14. Vintageproductions.... I spelled it out for you best I can. I even gave you the evidence you were asking for. Since you obviously never were in Vietnam, let me explain it to you. A Battalion consists of Companies A, B, C, D, E, and HQ. A Brigade composes several battalions at any given time. The "Hardcore" Recondo was Hackworths adjective added to the 4/39th already given "Recondo" brigade designation. Other battalions in the 1st Brigade of the 9th had just "Recondo" as a symbol in addition to whatever their battalion Regimental motto was and Regimental crest and other traditional Regiment associated representations. Each infantry company contained roughly 100 men. If there were four battalions in the 1st Brigade at any given time that would mean that there were something like 2400 men at any given time that could have used the patch...no school required. . Each member of each 1st Brigade Battalion was entitled to wear the Recondo arrow as patch or metal badge or whatever. The Brigade Commander was the authority as it was his idea and by his design and order. If anybody went to an actual Recondo school that was fine. However, it wasn't a requirement to wearing the patch or badge within battalions of the brigade... I don't deny that there was a Recondo school. I do , at the same time, assert that the patch was worn by a lot of 9th Division troops that never went to a Recondo school as such.. What you are offering for sale is for you to say what it is. I'm just defending my position.
  15. How about this from Col. David Hackworth's book Steel My Soldiers' Hearts. Note... Hackworth was a Lt. Col at the time and only commanded one battalion of the "Recondo" Brigade. He didn't command the 6-31st or whatever other battalion was in the brigade at the time. The other battalions were using the "Recondo" thing at the same time. Page 54. Patchcollector if you PM me.... and ask nicely.... I might help you.
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