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  1. This was then. This is now. There are fewer beards in the current military and in the White House than there once was. (Changing times....I guess!) Both of these guys are (were) the top guns at critical points in U.S. history. It is all good. David
  2. The influence on the physical appearance of the troops from the top......no wonder there was so much facial hair...it was the style of the day! Lee. Grant Dahlgren. Sherman. The men in the field. Having a few sips in a quiet moment. Smoking was O.K. back then. George Armstrong Custer with his dog .....which he is often photographed with. Collapsing pewter officers drinking cup with liquor flask. (With Japanned cup storage container.) David
  3. Thanks 316th FS 324th and Ron. I really enjoy finding these period C.W. photos.....I am always on the lookout for more. There is no doubt that facial hair was "in" in those days and a lot of these fellows look older than they probably were. And on the other side of the scale.....some of them look really young. I agree with you Ron,....I think some of the photographers got a bit creative with some of their props. Photos to send back to mom and dad and the sweetheart ....perhaps? Amongst all the other Civil War leather accoutrements, bayonet scabbards often took a real beating. Shown below are a few scabbards that I own that fared reasonably well,….as did the bayonets they carried. David Scabbard for the Dahlgren 1861 knife bayonet. Scabbard for the "Mississippi" U.S. Model 1841 rifle saber bayonet. Scabbard and frog for the Enfield 1853 rifled musket bayonet. Scabbard for the U.S. Model 1842 musket socket bayonet. Model 1855 socket bayonet with scabbard for most of the U.S. rifled muskets.
  4. It is interesting to look at period photos of Civil War soldiers. Judging from the different non-regulation holsters seen there were a huge number of varied side arms that were privately purchased by officers as well as by enlisted men that were not intended to carry hand guns. It appears that the photographic opportunities provided soldiers the option of adding various pistols/ knives etc. that may not have been relevant to their every day duties. There is no question that leather accoutrements deteriorated during the rigors of that military reality, so it is always nice to find leather stuff that survived in decent shape. As with firearms in nice shape,….. Nice leather comes at an elevated cost. This applies to leather/canvas accessories from all major bygone conflict periods. David Why this soldier would be posing with a saber bayonet and this small pistol is puzzling?
  5. George Armstrong Custer having a chat with some of his friends. (Click on the bar to enlarge the images....then click on the image again.) Collecting leather is all part of the game. David
  6. Bayonet for the Model 1841 rifles with turned down barrels. This Model 1835 socket bayonet "might" have been appropriate for this barrel altered rifle. I had posted this photo on the Firearms section of the forum relating to the U.S. Model 1841 rifle....but I will repeat it here as I think it is relevant and a very nice piece. (Photo and item belong to David Condon.) David
  7. Some more info regarding the different bayonet mountings on the Model 1841 "Mississippi" rifle. United State Rifle Model 1841 - Commonly referred to as the “Mississippi Rifle,” the Model 1841 rifle is regarded by many weapons experts as one of the most handsome of all percussion cap system firearms. The .54 caliber “Mississippi Rifle” owes its nickname to the successful use of this weapon by a Mississippi regiment under the command of Jefferson Davis in the Mexican War. During its period of manufacture and use, military authorities regarded the Model 1841 as the best of its type. The Harpers Ferry Armory manufactured a total of 25,296 of these rifles and contractors produced another 45,500. The walnut stock held a 33-inch round barrel which was fastened by two barrel bands. Brass mountings were finished bright while the barrel remained brown. The lock plate was casehardened, and the Model 1841, as with most rifles of this time period, had a large patch box located on the right side of the stock. Initially, the rifle was not fitted with a bayonet. However, beginning in 1855, the Model 1841 rifle was remanufactured to support a sword bayonet that was developed with three different fittings stud, ring, and socket. Just prior to the Civil War, 8,879 of these weapons were rebored to .58 caliber, improved rear sights were added, and their brass tipped ramrods were replaced by an all steel type with an exaggerated trumpet head profile. -------------------------------------------------------- The first US muzzle ring bayonet is considered to be the Model 1841 for the Mississippi rifle of that same year. It is curious that the bayonet in earlier years was always designated by the rifle it was attached to. It would come at a much later date that the bayonet actually had a name or model designation of its own. The Model 1841 was a typical sword bladed bayonet discussed in an earlier article. It's funny to note but the original 1841 Mississippi rifle came initially without a bayonet. It wasn't until 1855 when authority was given to upgrade many rifles in the US Armories to modern specifications. This authority was given by then Secretary of War Jefferson Davis later to become President of the C.S.A Write-up by. http://www.usmilitaryknives.com/okca_1998.htm ------------------------------------------------------------------------ The following three photos I found on the internet from dealers sites as well as a photo of my own gun. (See sketches and descriptions of the different bayonet mountings above.) This rifle has the Snell bayonet alteration (two perpendicular slots at the right side of the muzzle) making this one of 1,646 rifles so altered at Harpers Ferry in 1855. This rifle has the New York socket bayonet alteration (Grosz Alteration) for the 1842 bayonet and has 2 1/8" of the muzzle turned down with a lug added to the bottom. A round brass front sight blade, added when the rifle was altered, is present just behind the reduction. The third and final bayonet attachment method. (Split ring attachment.) The bayonet lug alteration as shown on my rifle. I find it interesting that this model was adopted without the thought of a bayonet, and in 1855 three different types of bayonets and mountings were conceived as well as a caliber change from .54 to .58 with all that that entailed. I guess that is one of the interesting aspects of collecting these guns with the different variations that emanated from this period. David
  8. Some more stuff on bayonets for the Model 1841 "Mississippi " rifle for they that may be interested. This is a book that I would recommend for they that have an interest in this stuff. The text below came from Reilly's book shown below. The photos below of the rare Snell bayonet and scabbard for the 1841 Mississippi rifle are owned by J & J Military antiques. http://www.jjmilitaryantiques.com/catpage....Type=saberbayus They have more C.W. saber bayonets as a dealer than I have seen in a long time. If you are interested in these kinds of pieces ...check out their web site. David
  9. Good eye 11-Bull. Thanks for your observations....and photo merge. David
  10. Thanks Tim, As time goes on I try to add some historic detail about a piece ...whether it is background that may be somewhat unique to the model or period photos. Some more photos of the bayonet and scabbard. The rifle. David
  11. I had previously posted photos in the Firearms section of the forum of the Model 1841 "Mississippi" rifle with some photos of the bayonet and I decided to post photos of the bayonet in the Edged Weapons section. The saber bayonets for these rifles were of three types. The bayonet shown is a second type bayonet that is of a more common lug type. The alterations to the rifles to accomodate these bayonets were made at Harpers Ferry between 1855 and 1857, -----10,286 bayonets of this type were produced. The front barrel band was shortened and the bayonet lug was added. The markings on the bayonet. (Harper’s Ferry inspector’s markings?) The lower P is the "proved" mark. The upper initials “PB” are the inspector's initials. Two inspectors used the initials PB. PB- Pomeroy Booth 1862. (Possibly) The next photo shows the bayonet lug that was added to the barrel to accommodate the saber bayonet as these U.S. Model 1841 “Mississippi” rifles were not initially issued with bayonets. The period photos below show soldiers with what I think are Model 1841 rifles with saber bayonets. Two of the photos look as though they were taken in the same setting….I am not sure if it is the same soldier taken in a different pose? David
  12. Frank, It was a good write up then...and still very relevant today. Thanks for the loan. David
  13. Keith, Thanks for posting your photos of this interesting piece. She ain't pretty ....but I would sure like to know her story! David
  14. Sarge, A very nice piece....with the provenance. It’s specific history sets it apart and gives it an identifiable life beyond most other similar swords. David
  15. Greg, There may be others that are in a better position to answer your question. I have also heard the same comment concerning the metal scabbards for heavier swords....I don't know how correct it is. (Click on the bar to enlarge the images....once enlarged click again on the image...this will not change the period photos. These photos do not belong to me.) J.F. and J.H. inspector's markings on the Model 1840 Musicians sword that was manufactured by Ames. A.G.M. inspector's markings on the Model 1840 Musicians sword manufactured by Roby. The non-musical duties of bandsmen were primarily medical. Before battles, bandsmen gathered wood for splints and helped set up field hospitals. During and after the fighting, they carried the wounded to hospitals, helped surgeons perform amputations, and discarded limbs. Army regulations of 1863 allowed the superintendent of recruiting depots to enlist, as field musicians, boys of twelve years of age and upward who had a natural talent for music. After enlisting, field musicians of the Regular Army could be sent to the School of Practice on Governor's Island, New York. They were billeted opposite from Brooklyn, at the Old South Battery. Shown below is B-Flat Civil War Fife which is marked U.S. 1862. Each regiment had a band which consisted of drummers and fife players. They inspired the men on the march and entertained in camp. There were also specific cadences, or drum beats, which directed troops to march in a specific order. In a few cases, regiment bands were quite large and lavish when well-to-do officers endowed them with financial support. The government tried to stifle such excess but the soldiers still found ways around the regulations. Christmas and cultural holidays were often met with parties, balls and formal dinners. If the camp location was secure, the soldier’s wives and families could attend. The bands were then employed to entertain while many of the soldiers often sang in groups. In addition to the bands of the Regular Army and the volunteer militias, there were field musicians. Field musicians, comprising of drummers and buglers, sounded camp calls and battlefield signals. They were not part of the band, and few could read music. Field musicians learned by rote the calls sounded at specific times in camp or upon command in battle. Army bandsmen's pay was substantially higher during the Civil War than previous years. The chief musician received $45.00 per month, one-fourth of the bandsmen received $35.00, another fourth received $20.00, and the remaining half received $17.00. The drum major also received $17.00. Fifers, drummers, and buglers were paid $12.00 per month. Musicians were by no means overpaid when their high casualty rate is taken into account. A reference to the record of the 125th Ohio Regimental Band (known as the Tiger Band) shows that only 10 of the original 36 members of this organization could still be accounted for at the end of the war in 1865. David
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