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  1. Well, you got a bargain. At one time you might have found these under $10.00, but those days are long gone. You usually see these now listed at between $35 and $50.00 today and sometimes even higher. They are known as "Graduation Wings" having no maker's marks. They are still a fairly common type as far as sterling jump wings go, but you can rest assured that you did good.
  2. These wings are a fine example of basic US jump wings. Looks like they have been worn and polished with pride. I would be happy to include them in a collection.
  3. United States Air Force Parachute Badges a collectors guide. Same as above on a 2013 post. You can look on eBay under Air Force parachute and it should pop up. All the best. robert
  4. Your wings were made by Williams & Anderson. The 1/20th Silver Filled government issue wings were made from the mid 1960's to the mid 1970's, so Vietnam era. There are other examples and more information in the hallmarks section of this forum.
  5. To me it looks like your oval or parachute background trimming is post WWII. It has a twill center where as the WWII era ovals have a wool felt center. As to your other question, The CIB actually came along after the jump wings badge. Initially you see soldiers wearing their jump wings above the CIB. When the army finally had time to figure out placement of awards on the uniform, the regulations placed the Combat Infantryman Badge above all other awards and decorations. I hope that helps.
  6. Looks like the 511th Airborne Infantry.
  7. Here is another example of what I am referring to as the "melted sterling" mark. This needs more research, but it is suspicious to me.
  8. I agree with Allan This wing also looks different in another way than a typical WWII parachute badge should look. Notice the STERLING mark. It appears almost melted rather than crisp and clear. I have noticed a number of this type lately with the 'melted sterling' look, so I am wondering if someone is making these currently to fool collectors. Personally, I would avoid this one.
  9. Most badge collectors use Rikker mounts and they are ideal for displaying badges and similar sized items. In my collection, I also wanted to see the reverse side of some of my jump wings to easily see the Hallmarks or other significant details. My solution without making or buying a special frame is much like that already suggested by CWNORMA. I display an example of what the wing looks like on the frontal view and those that are identical with special features or hallmarks, I flip over and show the back side in the same group. That way I have an immediate reference of both sides. This has worked well for me. Just an idea...
  10. The 3G hallmark is from Ira Green. It is an older marking that is no longer used. Ira Green is still in business.
  11. I almost hate to jump in here, but could not resist since I have an example (good or bad) of both wings being discussed in this thread. Now, I can't say if they are genuine or not, but since we are all here to learn, I will offer this. All the wings shown here are die struck (not cast) and all have the die shearing marks to prove that. I can't say if the clutch posts have been removed and replaced with broach pins. Is that possible ? Yes, I am sure it is. So did I get taken or are they real? I really don't know. None of these are recent acquisitions.
  12. Interesting. It does look close. I see that it is being offered by a seller who deals in a lot of reproductions.
  13. My comments: Very nice and historic group! The photo to me is most interesting with key figures like BG Omar Bradley, who at the time , I believe, was the Assistant Commandant of the Infantry School and Fort Benning. It appears that all the other officers present have been awarded and are wearing their Jump Wings except Major George Howell (on far right) whose name is on the certificate as Commander of the 501st Parachute Bn. Had he not yet become airborne qualified? All appear to be wearing the round parachute patch on their overseas cap. Could the patch actually help date the photo? The certificate itself is a bit unusual in that the first approved and issued Jump Wings were not even available until March 1941. So the date on the certificate has been adjusted back to December 1940. I wonder if it is possible to date the photo? I agree with Allan that the value previously offered is lower than what a willing buyer would offer. Even though that bidding is not accepted policy, that would be the best way to determine the true value. What would you pay to own this grouping ?
  14. Just for the record, I did not coin the name "Fayetteville Rubbed". That name was told to me by another long time collector. I can visualize however that back in the 1950's when STRAC was the by word around Fort Bragg/Fayetteville, NC and soldiers had to look sharp, some over shined their badges to gleam in the sun. We have all seen filed and buffed wings over the years with little or no wing or canopy details remaining. It would not be too much of a stretch to figure some enterprising shop owner saw an opportunity and made pre-buffed out jump wings. If this happened or not, is just my speculation, but many novelty items show up out on Bragg Blvd. to sell to soldiers. I do believe that the so called "Fayetteville Rubbed" wings were made that way by special order by a manufacturer. I think the above wing is one of them with the added Special Forces crest. It is of course a fantasy or sweet heart pin, but is a really cool item. Again, this is just my opinion, so it is open for further discussion.
  15. Check out: Gemsco was a prolific maker of military insignia. They moved their hallmark around numerous times making many slightly different variations. What you have looks to me like one of their WWII era parachute badges. Another variation. Nice find.
  16. Well, both are very similar. I would pick #1 just based on the photos. You can clearly see it seems to be in good shape. A little advice. Don't get in a big hurry to buy something without doing some quality research. There is a ton of info right here on the Forum about jump wings. Take a look and learn about these wings and their history. I think you will appreciate them even more when you find the right wings.
  17. Then go with the solid back wings with the initials. That is a good one.
  18. I took a look on eBay and there is currently listed: US 1953 ERA 1-E EMBLEM SUPPLY STERLING PARATROOPER JUMP WINGS FAIRLY RARE MAKER for $49.99 and it's a BUY IT NOW. It looks good and is a nice badge. (Not my listing BTW).
  19. The NS Meyer marked badge #3 is a restrike. It is sterling, but not an original as the others are. Meyer dies were used, but if you are looking for an original, I would pass on that one.
  20. Sterling silver wings have that extra appeal because they are made of actual silver and not pot metal. There are still ample numbers around, so you should be able to find a set you like. If you collect parachute wings then the challenge is to obtain wings maker marked in order to assemble the different manufacturer's that once made wings during WWII, Korea and Vietnam. I don't know of hallmarks being associated with specific units except perhaps GEMSCO that made custom wings for one unit in the 11th Airborne Division post WWII.
  21. With just a few exceptions, it is difficult to determine the manufacturer of most parachute wings by only viewing the front side (obverse). The origin of US military jump wings has its beginning in March 1941 just before the start of WWII. Captain William Yarborough designed and patented what is the standard design parachute badge that is used still today by the US Army and US Air Force*. Several different makers have embellished or modified the original ‘Yarborough’ design with minor changes over the years and they can be Identified or grouped without too much trouble. Early on NS Meyer, Balfour and Amico deviated from the original pattern somewhat with a slightly different wing design. From the front, they are not easily distinguishable, but can be classed into a group. This is now considered an obsolete pattern. They returned to the accepted design later. Norsid stands out as having a missing ‘bite’ on the bottom of one wing. It is unique in that feature. It was probably the result of a die issue, but is easily seen. Officer’s Equipment Company, Luxenberg and Hilborn & Hamburger used a distinctly different jump wing design for a while that was slightly larger and showed a detailed back canopy edge. But to narrow down further as to who made them, one needs to examine the reverse side. Most WWII era British and Australian (ie: Luke & Wallace Bishop) made wings are easily identified by the added space between feathers and have a distinctive British style. S&S are probably the easiest to identify from the front as they are oversize. Even still to determine a JR Gaunt from a Ludlow, you need to flip it over and look at who made it. Australian maker Angus & Coote stayed pretty close to the Yarborough design. Post War German wings by the firm F.W. Assmann & Sohne have extra fine details to the wing feathers and this was imitated for a while by makers in Sendai, Japan. Some Japanese wings are marked STERLING even though they are only silver plated. Most of the other jump wing makers such as: Gemsco, Crest Craft, American Emblem, Orber, Bailey, Banks and Biddle, Bell Trading Post, Coro, Durocharm, Denmarks, Simon, Silverman, Ira Green, JMS, Krew, Leonard and others followed the Yarborough design which has become the standard and accepted pattern and authorized by the Institute of Heraldry. In fact today, the only authorized design is still the original one submitted by then Captain (later LTG) William Yarborough. My point to all this is to determine the maker, one needs to know what to look for and examine the whole badge, front and back. Also one needs to observe what kind of uniform attachment device is used, pin back, screw back or clutch back and there are variations with each. Hallmarks, symbols, letters and IOH numbers are vital clues to identifying the manufacturer. *From 1956 to 1963, The USAF used an enamel shield design as a parachute badge that was very unpopular. They changed back to the approved Army design and it remains so to this day.
  22. He could have added the combat star to either the senior or master parachutist wings as his experience and rating proficiency grew. Once you have made a combat jump, it remains in your jump history. A combat jump or "mustard stain" on your jump wings is a treasured thing to have. It is good for life.
  23. There are at least two references that list his awards and included in them is the CIB. Why he is not shown wearing it is another mystery. His basic branch was Artillery, but he was certainly leading an Infantry Unit. BTW, That is a set of crossed rifles he is wearing on his collar. http://veterantributes.org/TributeDetail.php?recordID=359 and http://darbysrangers.tripod.com/id3.htm
  24. It is interesting to see both the SB and 2S hallmarks on the same badge. SB is for Silverman Brothers and 2S is a later IOH hallmark for Silverman. I would date the master jump wings from mid 1950's to early 1960's. The AE or American Emblem Basic jump wings is most likely late WWII to just after WWII. It would be hard to narrow it down much further.
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