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  1. Sorry, I haven't seen a enameled badge for years, and then it was only one at a gun show and the gy wanted way too much. At this rate I'll have to be happy with my first issued Air Police badge, my last issued Security Police badge, and my Police qualification badge with a star. I did come across a women's Security Police badge. When women first started to appear as actual cops back in 1974 they were eventually given a smaller version of the regular Security Police badge. The first female cop I saw came as a surprise. Not only was this the first female S.P. I had ever seen because normally they were not allowed in the career field. Here she was also in jungle or camo fatigues like the rest of us. Her badge was like ours. The same size and sewn directly onto the pocket of her fatigues. Sometime later I came back to the states and soom two more women arrived and ended on my flight. These were K-9 handlers, one a drug dog and the other a bomb dog handler.
  2. I was issued that type of jacket in the mid 70s while at Little Rock s part of a test program. We had to wear a tie and a certain type of shirt. Ours had metal hooks on the bottom to hold our Sam Brown police belts. They were never popular because of being uncomfortable with the belt hanging on the bottom, and having to wear a tie. Not a smart thing for a police uniform. It didn't take long before some of the guys started cutting off the hooks and eventually just stopped wearing them altogether. Despite that, I wish I still had mine.
  3. We had those jackets issued to us back in the mid 70s when I was at Little Rock A.F.B. I'm not sure how long we had them but in the mid 70s they were making changes from time to time in the uniforms. It was to be used with a shirt and tie, break a way of course. The hooks were to hand our Sam Brown belts and also help keep the jacket in place. It was not a comfortable set up and some of the guys just cut off the metal hooks and wore the belts the way they did normally. Since they were optional but encouraged for the evaluation, they just seemed to go away, after a short time nobody liked the things and just stopped wearing them. I can't even tell you what happened to mine. Not all bases were given these jackets. I spent some time at Loring A.F.B. during this period and they were never issued or worn there that I know of. In less than about 6 months they had all but disappeared. I would love to find one in my size for sentimental purposes to go with my dress jacket.
  4. I never heard that story. Somehow I can't imagine anyone trying to load a mag from a 1911 into a carbine, the ammo and magazine size and shape differences were very great. Anyone trained with these weapons would know it can't be done. The common sense thing wouild be to find more ammo for the weapon, find another weapon, or just keep using your pistol and keep your eyes out for possibilities. As far as what their weapons might have been back in that time period, I can only guess, there was no point in going over useless history because we were pressed for training time between the three installations we used for training, Lackland, Medina Annex, and Camp Bullis. Those selected for heavy weapons would go on to Fort Hood where they had long room for the long range of those weapons. Anyway, it could have been Carbines or M-16s, depending on where your were stationed. My training books for the career field covered both rifles. This would tend to mean that they were printed during the transition period and wanted to make sure the rookie was familiar with both, just in case. I would bet that the M-16s would be sent to the war so their superior firepower could be put to the test while the carbines were kept home until they were replaced. The same thing may have happened with the machineguns too, the Browning .30 cal phased out for the M-60. Best overall guess for weapons would be the M-16, M-60, .38 caliber S&W Combat Masterpiece, and mortors. The rest of the weapons were acquired as they went along and found a need for them. or became available. For-instance we picked up the Army's old M-148 grenade launchers because they were dropping them due to problems they encountered that turned out to easy fixes. On my first tour I knew we had some Marines based outside the fence somewhere in case of trouble and we had a Army base about 5 miles out. I saw an old film that was made when our base was almost complete in 1965. I showed a blue pickup that mounted a M-60 in the bed. This film had been made as a finished documentary for a briefing on the bas's status. It was never completed and still had all the mistakes included, the people being filmed not taking it seriously and so on. This had gone all the way to Washington and back, showing up in 1972 We got a chance to see it at our training building if we had the chance. If any part of the Lemay/Kelly story were true, why would he have organized a course for competitive shooters to be used in a war? Granted there were shooting competitions being held between bases when I was in, but that was between the different squadrons. Where this might have been held except at the various stateside bases, I don't know, the combat school was too busy turning out as many cops trained something like the infantry as they could.
  5. No problem about that. Most people didn't realize what kind of firepower we had available if needed. Normally all they would see was our M-16s (sometimes with a M148 grenade launcher attached), M-60s, shotguns, and S&W Model 15 pistols. What they almost never saw were the 81mm mortors, .50 cals, 174 automatic grenade launchers, 90mm recoilless rifles, claymores, M-79 launchers L.A.W.S.s and miniguns. The 90 and fifty didn't become known until the 72 Easter Offensive when we broke them out for the first time. Technically we weren't allowed 50s by the S.O.F. even though the locals had them. As for jurisdiction, we had out to the perimeter and that was all. However there used to be a group of skycops that at some bases had authority up to 1/2 klick out from the fence. These guys were under Operation Safeside and had special training far above what we were given. I was fortunate enough to have a flight chief who came from there along with several other supervisors when the project shut down.
  6. My Father used to tell me that when they would go out on a special mission he would take the grease gun over the Thompson every time. I've never seen a real one but would love to try one.
  7. Thanks for the info. Glad I looked at this post. Now I know where I got all those mags from years ago. I had completellly forgotten where or how.
  8. Apes? Never did like that term. It was used just because at the time the official title was Air Police and I imagine they were not liked much back then either, hence the insult. Sort of like when we were called pigs. Back in 1971 my first badge did say A.P. but it was one of the last as the new Security Police job title was already in effect when I entered Tech School after basic, with the new S.P. badge arriving about mid 1971. During basic we qualified with the M-16 but used standard ammo, not modified weapons and I believe fired 20 rounds. The first time I saw a real carbine was during A.Z.R. class before going to S.E.A. They were used for doing the confidence course under live fire and explosive charges. We would turn in our M-16s and get a M-1 and then swap them for our assigned rifle until the next crawl. I remember mine was not much more than two broken pieces of wood held together with some telephone wire to keep the metal parts in place. After the daylight course was done we would head back to the range with our 16s for a few more hours of shooting. Just before dark we would return to the course and reclaim our carbines and wait in the ditch until the signal was given to start. An added feature this time was slap flares and you had to remain still until they went out. Then the M-60s would open up and the motivational C-4 was used. When I got to the end and dropped into the ditch I noticed that I only had two pieces of wood held together by a sling. I had to crawl back out into the field to look for it to get it back together so I could return what they gave me. I passed a lot of people going the other way but found my missing parts and had to put it back together with tracers going over me. For motivation a few more charges went off in my area. When I got back to the end again I was met by an instructor with a not so happy look on his face demanding to know what I thought I was doing out there. I told him and he just looked at me for a minute, grunted something and walked away. Then it was out to the range for night firing. We were told that the reason the school, and us were there was because of an incident during the Korean War where a base was in danger of being over run and needed to be evacuated. Aircraft left first, at least the fighters, who were assigned to provide protection until everyone left. Unfortunately, they just didn't hang around. Most people got away, except for the cops. When the base was retaken, they found them strung up in a hanger, sometimes on hooks. The unit responsible for this was banned from ever being assigned to the States again. After a couple more tours overseas I'm pretty sure that I know who it was because I heard roughly the same story at one of my assignments where they are and they are still outside the country.
  9. Have you tried contacting the military records storage facility in St. Louis?
  10. Good idea, but the movie was "The Thing From Another World"> Do you remember who played the alien?
  11. Is there a way ti get a cioy if my old draft card? They took mine when I went in the Air Force when I got my notice.
  12. Also, you may have to use some putty to seal up the crack. Mostly I use Tamiya gray putty because it goes on well and will do a good of filling any gaps when you lightly wet sand it. As for the color, I don't remember exactly because it was a weapon we rarely carried unless you were a member of one of the base mortor teams, then it would be issued to you along with a .38 caliber pistol. As best as I can remember, the shade of the barrel was your typical parkerize with the butt olive drab. The plastic stock was some weird pale pink color that you could see after the O.D. wore off.
  13. I was at Lackland in the mid 70s going through either combat school or traffic investigation school and decided to walk around one weekend. I was always curious about what part of the base was on the other side of the highway. I ended up walking completely through the base and ended up at an intersection at the bottom of a hill. Across the street was Kelly A.F.B. and this was parked alongside the road to the left. At the time there was a caretaker sitting near the aircraft and for .50 cents I could go into it. A couple years later I went back and it was abandoned. Since then it has been moved by C-5s to Wright Patterson for re-assembly and restoration. When I was at Dover A.F.B. we would take C-5s to airshows. The trip after mine went to South America and one of the crew members decided to walk around some of the hangers on the base the show was staged at. When he looked into a small hanger's windows he found a B-10 that was used as a maintenance trainer. Eventually a deal was made and a C-5 brought it back to Dover for evaluation and then to Wright Pat. It was the only example of this aircraft left and was discovered by accident. Who knows what else may still be out there.
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