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Justin B.

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  1. Some good information in this old thread:
  2. Below is a copy of the WW2 regulation, note the braid was a different color. My impression is that was a WW1 thing, and that enlisted personnel commissioned in WW2 did not wear green cuff braid after the war. I don't have actual regulations from the '50s or '60s though. According to William Emerson's insignia book, enlisted personnel were authorized optional purchase of the summer TW uniform (later "Army Tan") with coat in 1951. I'm pretty sure regulations for the Army Green uniform were always without braid for enlisted, no exceptions.
  3. Probably the most famous photo of grays in history (copyrighted photo): https://www.life.com/history/mourning-fdr-in-a-classic-photo-the-face-of-a-nations-loss/ https://static.life.com/wp-content/uploads/migrated/2015/03/150330-warm-springs-fdr.jpg
  4. Required outfit, 1959 Uniform Regulations Change No. 2, 25 Jan 1963:
  5. You can find a lot of post-WW2 boot camp photos with it here: https://militaryyearbookproject.com/platoon-photos/us-navy-recruit-training-center-rtc-photos/great-lakes-il-naval-training-center?page=4 After recruit training it's a lot more scarce. Both uncles I had who joined in the '50s said they never wore it after boot camp. Inspection on USS Grady DE-445, 1950:
  6. Yes exactly right, basically 1922-1942. Nothing changed much in those years so it's tough to narrow it down without a name. The term is "cocked hat." Those things are nice but I don't believe there's much of a market for them unless it's a known name or an admiral.
  7. Right sleeve is correct for a boatswain's mate before 1948.
  8. Going back to the WW2 army khaki, here is Ike in a set of TW-type khakis, early post-war. You can see the smooth, low-wrinkle drape of the wool material. In black and white, the dark-shade untucked tie makes it look kind of Navy.
  9. Even off-post, social segregation was the rule of the day. Officers knew what venues were for enlisted personnel and they stayed away, and obviously vice versa. If there was an enlisted social event on-post, officers would have to be invited to attend. From Field Manual 21-50, Military Courtesy and Discipline, June 1942: "In the interests of good discipline, officers are required to wear distinctive uniforms, to live apart from their men in garrison, and to confine their social contacts to other officers." (Board software doesn't allow inset for block quotes
  10. Thanks, that's pretty definite! As I recall none of the star sailors wore any insignia on the white jumper, but 1949 would be after the required date for group rate marks, so I don't think they were fixated on costume accuracy. Yes, but I think most people took musicals as a little fantastic, or exaggerated reality. Kelly and Sinatra would have been fitted with costumes that looked good and that they could dance in, color accuracy would have been a secondary consideration. That's an important point, digital color "correction" is easy to do but hard t
  11. I did some more checking: The the enlisted USMC summer service uniform with cotton khaki coat was in the 1929 regulations but not in the 1937 edition. Then in 1947 a khaki Vandegrift jacket was authorized. That could just have been something from the '30s that MGM's costume department had on hand. I don't remember, is On The Town set in 1949 or during the war? The marine stripes with "ties" were replaced with rockers in 1946.
  12. That's a marine, I was talking about the army. I'm not sure about the dates for the enlisted USMC khaki coat. Edit: While I was checking my books, MattS already answered!
  13. Other materials were authorized but lightweight wool like TW or "Palm Beach" was by far the most popular for the uniform with the coat. The coat and trousers (and usually cap) would match because they were bought together, like a civilian suit. There was a variety in shades of material, and even if the differences were minor they were quite noticeable if variant pieces were mixed. Because it was optional the summer service with coat was used as a dressy uniform, and a mis-matched appearance would reflect poorly on the wearer. The cotton khaki summer shirt and trousers worn for ord
  14. Here is a great summary of Army uniform regulations over the years from Bill Emerson (pdf file): http://emersoninsignia.net/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/24Uniform-Regulations.pdf
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