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  1. I understand the custom of the rifle staying with the individual thru out his service career. The problem IS,,,,with that is that ser# of 110016, the EARLIEST it could have been in use was Jan of 1918 on a M1917 of Winchester make,,, if that serial number belonged to a M1903 it was not manufactured until after Jan of 1919. So you great uncle COULD NOT HAVE BEEN ISSUED A M1903 OR M1917 RIFLE WITH THAT SER.# IN 1917.. it did not exist. Do you understand the problem of that ser# and that 1917 date now??????? 45B20
  2. I see nothing on those records that indicates what ser# he qualified with. Most likely that 17 June 1917 qualification was fired with a M1903 of unknown make or ser#. That ser# of 110016 is most likely the rifle he was issued at some later date. I would guess his last one before he got out . If it was his last rifle most likely it was a M1903, but no one can say for sure it was not a M1917. If your grate uncle was discharged before 01 Jan 1919 that serial number has to belong to a M1917. I think that note of service with the Army is an interesting one. Do you know any thi
  3. Thank you for posting those records. However I do not see that ser# 110016, is it on something you have not posted?? Or am I missing something ??? 45B20
  4. Tbruno I ‘think’ that "MQO 56 Series 1917” refers to a course of fire, not to a weapon. Most likely your great uncle carried an M1903 in France,, although he may have trained and qualified with the M1917 while in the US before going to France According to Crossman and Canfield a M1903 receiver with a serial number of 110016 was made in 1919. C.F. Ferris in his book “United States Rifle Model of 1917” states that the marines were issued M1917 Rifles. As one of his sources he uses “History of Rifle, Revolvers, and Pistols” by Miriam McConaughty, A U.S. Gov publication, p
  5. Dalbert I have the first Carbine Tech. Manual, TM 9-1276 dated 05 June 43,, it supersedes the common TB 23-7-1,dated 17 Mar 42 AND the TB 23-7-2 with a date of 16 Apr 42. I have List of Publications, FM 21-6 dated 01Feb44, neither TBs are listed, which is understandable, seeing that both TBs had been superseded. What I do not have is FM 21-6 dated 01July43, which may have listed those TBs. I’ve asked Eric Nicolous to ask his contacts and see if any of them have actually seen a TB 23-7-2. I think (hope) that it actually was printed. With a TM over a year away, I would t
  6. Dalbert I have seen references to TB 23-7-2, I have a date of 16 April 1942. But I have never found anyone who has actually seen one. Does that manual really exist???? I never was really interested in the Carbine, so my list of publications does not contain any thing unusual. But this is what I have in the way of SNLs and Parts Manuals. I have an original “SNL B-28, Organizational Spare Parts and Equipment for Carbine, Cal..30, M1 and M1A1”, dated 17 Aug 1943, with Change 1 dated 21 Sept. 1943. A copy of an “ORD9 SNL B-28, List of all Parts of Carbine, Cal..30, M1, M1A1, M1
  7. Guscanoesp Those tools are still cheap enough why don’t you buy others which are not still in the wax??? That way you can have a display of those tools as issued and as used. After all, once removed from the wax seal, they can never be returned to that condition. And now for the cynical approach, with all the fakery going on I question everything. Someone maybe taking old used tools, sand/bead blasting, refinishing and also dipping them in wax. Regrettably, something to think about. 45B20
  8. Airborne53 It is listed in Ordnance Supply Catalog: “Items of Cleaning. Preserving, and Lubricating Materials; Recoil Fluids, Special Oils, and Miscellaneous Related Items, ORD 3 Standard Nomenclature List K-1” dated 06 May 1946. I do not have the earlier (12Dec.44) issue of this SNL. Stock Number is 52-P-270, Specification, SNR-S-1281, UZ-6 or UZ-8, or equal. The nomenclature is listed as, “PAINT, black, flat, 1 q5. (For gas cylinder on rifle, U.S. cal. .30 M1, M1C. If necessary to thin, use THINNER, enamel synthetic.)” Painting and baking (“1½ hr. at 300 to 350 deg.F) is covere
  9. Charlie, thank you for that interesting photo. Canfield reports that 354 Spencer Shotguns were purchased by the US Military between 1886 and 1893. The only information as to their use was for, “guarding prisoners”. Spare parts may have be obtained from Bannerman or made by Springfield. In 1892/93 fiscal, Springfield reports purchasing Spencer Shotgun parts. Perhaps some Spencers were purchased directly by the Navy or as the Army obtained M1897s, the Spencers were passed to the Navy. Or in this case, perhaps confiscated from this family. David The Win M12 and Rem. M10 were no
  10. BARgunner The MK 2 on the base is the US Navy’s designation of a case made of brass. I can not read the markings on the primer. For a USN case of that date, 2-45, the primer should be a Mk 22. IIRC, the triangular shaped mark on the base is the manufacture. If that was an US Army round (for that date) it would have the case and the complete round lot # stamped on the base. Just a guess,, I think the lot number on the base is the case lot number and I am just not sure about the stenciling on the side of the case. The Army shot up a lot of Navy 40-mm ammo in Viet Na
  11. One little thing I forgot to add, I think it is fairly certain that reduced antimony lead cores were pressed inside GMCS jackets and then these projectiles were then used to make M2 Ball cartridges . So there were alternate/alternative M2 Ball rounds, although I do not know of any market in such a fashion. 45B20
  12. Ive re-read the “Caliber .30 M2 Ball dated 1943”, post by Chunky Monkey, and I noticed incorrect use of the word “Alternative” by several of the posters. The correct definitions as they relate to .30 cal. Rifle Ball ammo is: ALTERNATIVE relates to the makeup of the projectile's lead core ALTERNATE relates to the makeup of the projectile’s jacket. This is some of the information I used. For 'Alternative' “Like the M1 Ball, the M2 was also authorized to be made in a alternative version having less antimony in the bullet core in order to conserve this strategic metal during
  13. Star194 Shooting a Low Number always rises a lot of questions. You should go over to Culvers Shooting Page and read some of Michael Petrov’s writing under the Culver’s 03 Board. Mr. Pelrov has been trying to ‘blow up’ some Low Numbers with not much luck. The Low Numbers under US Gov control had to pass some serious proof loads each time they were rebuilt. Many people shoot them with no concern, others think the risk to too great. You refer to your rifle as a ceremonial/parade rifle, I want to make sure that this is not a Drill Rifle with the barrel welded to the receiver, the c
  14. David To my regret I do not have the photocopy, I saw it several years ago at a paper show in San Jose, CA. It looked kinda ratty and I was sure I would be able to find an original or at least a better copy. And of course I have not seen any more. I would guess that the Springfield Museum or Rock Island would have a copy or an original. If you are close to either one you might be able to get a copy. One thing I remember about the copy that I saw was that it was printed by the Armory’s print shop. That TM 9-2117 was the easiest to use of all the shotgun manuals I worked with
  15. dalbert You are correct in that the War Dept. did not publish any manuals such as TRs before 1942, as I have already stated. (see my second post, 3rd par) However Springfield did produce a “service handbook” in fiscal 1921/22. This was for use by Springfield and the Arsenals. During the 20s and 30s, only Springfield, Benicia and Rock Island were authorized to do any repair on shot guns, (so no need for TRs) as per S.N.L. B-9, dated Jan 11, 1934. The one photocopy I have seen, looked like a lot of it was from Rem or Win with very neat line drawings and explanatory notes added. It wa
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