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  1. M1 lot calculators and charts are not of much use since the data they are based on are nowhere near complete.  Just looking at the Helmets of the ETO chart it's easy to see how much smoothing of data there is, since it's a straight linear progression and actual production often varied by tens of thousands of helmets per month. 

     

    There are many things that are not known about m1 helmet manufacture, including how many blanks made up a lot.

     

    Seek out the article Marc Giles wrote on m1 lot numbers and you will find a good deal of well-researched information on lot numbers.

  2. Production dates for WWII M1 helmet lots are not known outside of a tiny handful that have been found in period documents.  The charts you see online are educated guesswork based largely on the observable physical attributes (fixed loop, front seam, stainless rim, etc.) of a relatively small sample size of helmets.  Messing around with a helmet to find the lot number is a fool's errand at best and often causes irreversible damage.  Don't do it.

  3. 11 hours ago, SouthShore 8754 said:

    In Harlan Glenn's book "United States Marine Corps Uniforms, Insignia and Personnel Items in WW2" on page 122, there is a slitted helmet cover shown just like the one I posted that has colors touching on the jungle side. None of the reference books I own ( Grunt Gear and Dungarees) and frogskin talk about "separation of color".

     

    There is also a P42 uniform displayed on page 90 in the same book I mentioned above that have the exact same cammo pattern of HBT with the colors touching that looks identical to the NOS pair of p44's and the p42 pants I posted. 

     

     

     

    There's never been a questionable item in a reference book.

  4. 9 minutes ago, The Rooster said:

     

    I'm just a bit perplexed because this pattern is the same pattern in the jacket above, which if you read the thread, everyone agrees its authentic. Its the same pattern on this cover and although the beach side stitiching is a longer saw tooth than some, it appears to still be saw tooth stitching.

    I spent a while looking at the pattern in the coat and pants on the linked thread and it looks like the same pattern on the cover.

    Unless Im missing some detail in the pattern ?

     

     

    Two people in this thread have mentioned pac man and the beach side edge stitching.  I'm sure there are multiple threads on both of those topics here.

  5. 47 minutes ago, HardWay said:

     

    I tried to uncover the heat stamp (which took some patience because I think there must be 12 coats of paint on this thing) and all I could pull out was "128" -- if there's more to it, I can't see it. The weld spots on the seam look to me as being more round than oval, which makes me think it's a Schleuter, however I don't see any trace of an "S" anywhere near the heat stamp. So I'm not sure if this a Schleuter, McCord, or other.

     

     

     

    Don't ever try to uncover lot numbers.

  6. 1 hour ago, Ben@HI said:

     I actually had a 1917A1 from the 1920's once. I think the liner was dated 1925 or 26? The really early one's like that are strange. The one i owned had an enlisted man's cap badge on it under the paint and they have a thicker leather for the liner. They also have a leather chinstrap with cast brass buckle and sharp J hook like the canvas straps on the later ones just made from leather instead. They must be really rare though, I've only seen 3 of them and the one I had went for $2,000 on eBay about 8 years ago. Really a neat helmet. I always wondered if there was an officers version of it or if they all had enlisted cap badges.

     

    They weren't cap badges, they were modified bridle rosettes.

  7. The area around the chinstrap rivet was likely retouched at the Ford factory during final assembly.  It's hard to tell from the photos whether the top rivet was retouched at the same time, but it was common practice to add paint to those areas of the helmet before they were packed for issue.

  8. 1 hour ago, normaninvasion said:

    Only clue that I see, "World's War", I believe it WW1 was always refered to as The Great War until the start of the 2nd??

     

    "World's War" was fairly common usage at the time.  Collier's New Photographic History of the World's War and The 37th's Bit in the World's War of 1914-1918 are two examples that come to mind.

  9. It's out of the ordinary for a 4th Marine Brigade helmet, but not all WWI Marines were part of that organization.

     

    From the August 1919 issue of Recruiters' Bulletin, reporting on the return of the 11th Marine Regiment:  "Nearly all of the Marines had their helmets painted with all the colors of the rainbow.  The men said that a camouflage artist aboard was responsible for the tortoise-shell effects given to the tin hats."

  10. 1 hour ago, warguy said:

     If the Marine went over there early, the likelihood was higher they would get a British helmet but replacements during the summer of 1918 and those on occupation duty in 1919 that didn’t see much fighting might more likely ended up with a US helmet.

     

    This is "collector wisdom" that is not supported by documentary evidence.  The US continued purchasing helmets from the British until 1919.  Troops shipping out were not issued helmets stateside until September 1918.  The 8th Division somehow wound up being widely equipped with British helmets despite not even starting overseas movement until October 30, 1918.

  11. 6 hours ago, Okie96 said:

    At first glance I like it but looking closer the wear seems a bit odd. Just the way it's distributed.

     

    The liner may provide a clue here.  It's American, but the shell is British.  Usually that combination has a heavy sand exterior finish that was applied as part of the reconditioning process.  The "wear" looks similar to other helmets I've seen where the sand finish was scraped off to provide a smooth surface. 

     

    I sort of like what I see overall but I'd really want to give it a thorough going-over.  There's something about the method of painting the insignia that is rather unusual and gives me pause.  (doyler's helmet is painted the way I expect.)

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