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  1. I realize I'm about 10 years late on this but I figured I'd post this anyway as it's still relevant. I believe the Camillus knife with the black handles are made of a plastic similar to Schrade's Delrin handles. Yours, Bayonetman, are bone but not just any bone. These knives were made with the highly sought after Rogers jigged bone handles. Rogers jigged bone came in various colors from a very dark maroon (almost black) to yellow. The yellow bone sometimes occurring naturally with time and lots of pocket wear. Rogers jigged bone were made from older cattle that ranged the tougher ranch lands of Australia and later Argentina and a couple of other South American countries. This made the bovine bone extra dense so, tougher than regular bone handles, thus, cracks, chip or breakage were less likely to happen. The Rogers jigging itself is unique and very beautifully done. There are still a few Rogers jig bone machines stored away somewhere but have not been in used since, I believe, the 1960s. My understanding is that these particular knives like yours were first made with brass liners and nickel silver bolsters early on in WW2 (1941, 1942..) but then because of the war effort they were changed over to steel liners and steel bolsters somewhere in 1943 or 44. Also, and I could be wrong on this, these WW2 military issue knives all had U.S.A., U.S.N. and some Medic shields and so on, on them. The other with no shield or no U.S.A. stamp on the shield, etc. were not military issue. That's what I found years back while doing research on these Camillus scout type knives.
  2. SolWarrior


    Thanks, Skip and Capt14k. I found photos of the markings on Bayo Points 23. Capt, both flaming bombs, huh? I would read about the flaming bomb markings and thought it was only one so the other had me confused. I'd think "Is it an eye?" Thanks to you and Skip for clearing that up.
  3. SolWarrior


    Thanks, Skip. I often wondered what the OL was for. I'm also curious about the two symbols. In the first photo, the circle within a circle and lashes between the U and the S, and in the second photo, the "flaming bomb". What is their significance? Thanks - Felix
  4. SolWarrior


    Interesting feedback. I have one (dated) I found at my rental home while cutting grass about ten years ago. I asked around but no one seemed to know anything about this similar bayonet. The overall length is right at 14.5" with the blade at approx 10" long.
  5. Sactroop, thanks for sharing your keen eye and words of wisdom. I pretty much go by those words - "buy the knife and not the story". Capt14k, nice observation on the serifs for dating and the pommel vs pommel nut. 👌 Dating by serifs works on Schrade USA fixed blades too. I guess this knife has been thoroughly dissected. Thanks guys!
  6. I considered what it woukd take to modify a blade that much as I had never seen one like it before. Not that I know much about Marble knives to begin with. However, I figured it must have taken lots of patience, or some real heavy wheel grinding that could have messed with the temper. That made me hold back on my bid. If I were five, no, 10 years younger I might have gone all in. The more I read what you guys are saying the better I'm feeling about coming in second on this bid. I had decided $125 total with shipping & taxes, but no more. The guy who worked on this knife did a fine job but, I was always concerned about the tempering if it was indeed heavily modified. Here's the link - https://www.ebay.com/itm/Rare-Vintage-Marbles-Gladstone-MI-USA-Fixed-Blade-Knife-Leather-Handle-9-5-034-/283931742058?hash=item421ba68f6a%3Ag%3AjUMAAOSwBfhe-nj2&nma=true&si=D1JL%2FgCfDA1VDQvh4WVdLf3ljsc%3D&orig_cvip=true&nordt=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557k Thanks, Charlie
  7. The flat stacked leather handle also looks it was made for the blade.
  8. You read my mind. My next question was going to be, is the sheath original or was it custom made way back when the blade was modified?
  9. Hello Capt14k - It does look like the blade might have been modified. If that's the case, whomever did it did an excellent job.
  10. Hello: I came across this Marbles knife on the bay. I've never owned a Marbles knife and really liked this particular one for its spear point type blade, fuller and flat handle. I came in second on the bidding so lost it and could kick myself for not going more. I was wondering if anyone here has ever seen or knows of this model knife by Marbles? The seller thought it might be a rare one, and I have never seen one before so, I thought I'd ask you guys for any info. Thanks
  11. Skip, you're right, they are a pain for most of us right handers. zzyzzogeton, thanks for the interesting feedback. I believe you're right. It is Y 2/C rather than Y 2/6. As a right hander a left handed sheath carried on the left would be difficult to get use to, as Skip pointed out. Most of us righties are just way too use to being catered to and would have a hard time adjusting to a LH sheath knife from the left. In that situation I think I'd carry a LH sheathed knife just behind the sidearm or further back to have the blade's edge facing away from the body while pulling it out and around the body, and facing down once in front. Thanks again Skip, Dustin and Charlie for the feedback. And thank you zzyzzogeton for clearing things up. - Felix
  12. Hello, Skip, Dustin and Charlie. Thanks for welcoming me to USMF Edged Weapons, Skip and Dustin, and thanks a bunch for the great feedback as well. I've seen and owned many fixed blade knives, mostly poor man's hunting knives (Schrade Cut Co., Schrade Walden, Schrade USA, Camillus, Kabar...) and some military. I found a WW2 bayonet with U.F.H. and U.S. below that but between the U.S. it has a round eye with lashes on it. Below that it has 1943 and on the other side in smaller lettering O.L with a small flaming bomb beside it. I currently own 3 Camillus N.Y. (stamped in bold lettering at the ricasso) JPSKs too, with no dates, which would date them from 1962-1966. All the pilot and flight crew survival knives that I've seen come with ambidextrous sheaths. I believe that these sheaths were ambidextrous by design and with good reason. Which stands to reason, at least to me, that the left-handed leather sheaths for the Mark 1s were intentionally designed to have the blade faced forward for most carriers which are right-handed, but for what reason I do not know. I have read that 9 of out 10 people are right handed and most of the leather sheaths made for the general public are right-handed sheaths for that reason. I have one or two older knives that came with ambidextrous sheaths and one or two with left-handed sheaths. Most were right-handed and as you said "The whole objective to carrying a knife would be to have it in a location easily accessible, at the users discretion." The location most easily accessible, IMHO, for 9 out of 10 people would be on the right side with the blade facing back, as usual, even for a utility knife. Thus, the most logical option, to me at least, would be right-handed sheaths but the Navy went the other way, and that is what has me puzzled. As for the writing on the sheath, it has what I believe to be the original owner's name. "H.R. Lucas" and what looks like "Y 2/6", to me, after the name. It is followed by tag number "663-30-37" and "U.S.N.R" below that. It has on the back as well but without the Y 2/6. The photo is from the person that sold me the knife. - Felix Oh, I almost forgot. This Mark 1 might not be a bright blade version. I think it was striped of its coating, or carefully removed with light sandpaper. It has what appear to be some worn out coating left on the back of the blade/opposite end to the edge, but not 100% sure.
  13. Hello: New guy here. Glad to finally be accepted by USMF. I appreciate the opportunity to engage with you fine people. I bought my first WW2 Camillus USN Mark 1 a few months back. I own and have owned a bunch of Camillus knives. The sabre grind contours on this Mark 1 are about as good as it gets for a production knife. I can think of one other sabre grind - on both sides - blade that was a work of art by Camillus N.Y. Cutlery. That was on the 1946 (one year only) "first generation" Carpenter's Whittler's pocket knife. The first year of the 72 model the blade configuration was also different (and much better IMHO) than the following years. The 72 had very nice Rogers jigged bone handles from 1946-1950 as well. My primary reason for a new topic on the Camillus Mark 1 is to get feedback from you guys of the markings stamped (hard) on the guard. I was told they are rare and wanted to know from the experts on here what exactly these markings represent. Are they strictly Camillus markings, possibly random, or were they stamped at the Navy's request? The markings are of the number "615" and a triangle with what appears to have a slanted D with regards to the triangle itself, but could be a symbol or something else. (On the last photo I put a 10X jeweler's loupe on my cell's camera eye for greater magnification) Secondly, the sheath is a left-handed sheath but with a right-handed secure strap. (I noticed most sheaths used by Camillus had the right-handed secure strap) When I first noticed it was left-handed I searched for other USN Mark 1 sheaths and I noticed that they are all left-handed with secure straps that vary in direction. What's that all about? Were USN Mark 1 knives made to be carried on the left side, for left-handed use, or for right-handed reverse draw? The latter is how someone trained in self-defense would likely use the knife. All comments appreciated. Thanks
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