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  1. I'm with cutiger83 on this ID. I believe it's some kind of work uniform associated with an industrial setting. Look on google images for pictures of WWI women munitions workers or war workers. Lots of different style dress - some jobs apparently required pants. None of the uniformed women's service or auxilliary/charity agencies that I have ever looked at had work clothes anything like this. Not the women's land army, either, so I say industrial workers.
  2. This is from the 1930's when the unit was still the 10th Infantry, NYNG. These sell for around $20 - with the box maybe another $5 so $25 total. This unit/version is not one of the rarer ones.
  3. Through a friend I got a shot of a firstie wearing a helmet liner from the Class of 1973 year book. It clearly shows that the helmet liner has the cadre decal, and not a cadet decal. In one shot you can see the cadet patch on the field jacket while the same individual has the cadre decal on the liner. So the original post showing the liner is an accurate example of this utilization/configuration which was in use in the early 1970's.
  4. A couple minor updates/corrections to the original posted list... (see items in bold) WW2 Good Conduct Contract List 12-4-42 Medallic Art Co T1 (Medal Number 56 and 208) – Wire loop/Ring Suspension 12-4-42 Medallic Art Co T2 (Medal numbers 2226 and 75714) – Knob Suspension 4-24-43 Silverman Brothers (These may be numbered in the 100,000 range) 5-11-44 Medallic Art Co 5-11-44 Robbins Co 5-11-44 Silverman Brothers 5-11-44 Uncas Mfg Co 6-11-44 Bastian Brothers 5-11-44 Bastian Brothers 5-11-44 Coro Inc 11-11-44 Robbins Co 11-20-44 Medallic Art Co 11-20-44 Robbins Co 11-20-44 Uncas Mfg Co 12-30-44 Robbins Co 12-30-44 Uncas Mfg Co 1-26-45 Robbins Co 1-26-45 Medallic Art Co 2-1-45 Bastian Brothers 5-8 45 Medallic Art Co 7-25-45 Medallic Art Co 11-14-45 Robbins Co 11-14-45 Rex Products (PO information only displayed on the ten medal packing case. Individual medal boxes state: GOOD CONDUCT / DECORATION MEDAL on 2 lines). 1-18-46 Medallic Art Co 2-5-46 Medallic Art Co 2-5-4X Robbins Co - Need complete PO data (Probably 1946)
  5. So what we're learning is that the black helmet liner worn by the firsties (seniors) at New Cadet Barracks (Beast Barracks) while training the new cadets varied in certain details over time, including potentially stripes or no stripes, the size of the crest on the front of the helmet, and the decal or no decal on the side. If we get enough dated images, we could probably chart out the evolution of this. Anybody have a collection of USMA class annuals (The Howitzer) from 1960 - 1980? I looked at class of 72 and class of 75 and they seem to match the helmet originally posted ie: larger crest, no stripe, cadre decal (with decals on the side not 100% clear in pictures available in these annuals).
  6. Interesting observations. I tired to find an image that would resolve the differences, but not 100% successful. Here is an image from 1975. The liner in this image of a firstie at Beast Barracks has the larger crest. So they changed from the 1968 image you provided. Also doesn't have the side stripe - just plain black. The decal on the side is not clear enough to verify the design, but it looks an awful lot like the one on the liner image I attached in the original post but that's open for debate given the lack of clarity.
  7. Picked this up recently. It is a liner worn by the Firsties at West Point during Beast Barracks when the new cadets receive their basic training/introduction to the Academy. These were worn in the 1970's. They feature a shiny black enamel paint, West Point decals on the side, and a West Point brass crest on the front. This example had a 1978 headband. When I got this it was missing the crest but the hole for the threaded post for the crest was there, as well as scratches where the two pins/posts behind the wings are located (on cloth these pins/posts prevent rotation of the crest and are similar to what are on the back of modern DIs) and scratches/wear marks where the bottom point of the crest meets the liner. I added a period crest to return the liner to its as used configuration. I can't imagine many of these liners ever made it out into public hands.
  8. The medal you are referencing on the NYS Military Museum website is the state long and faithful service decoration, not the one pictured in this thread. The medal in this thread was made in upstate NY, an opinion only based on the design elements - a maker in upstate NY used exactly this top bar (different wording) for a gold marksmanship medal so I am assuming it is by the same maker. My interpretation is that this medal is for 1 year perfect attendance to somebody in the 25th Separate Company, a unit based in Tonanwanda NY. The earlier 25th Sep Co located in Canadaigua was in existence for only 10 years and was shut down in 1888 so the 1894 bar means it is the successor unit (Tonawanda) which came into being in 1891. Like the gold marksmanship badge I mentioned, this medal is similarly unusual in that units often did not give out gold versions of anything except for special accomplishments (or if the recipient purchased a special gold version). One year is not a special accomplishment, but then the marksmanship badge in gold was for a similar non-special accomplishment. I favor identifying the unit as the 25th versus the 1st because the 1st Separate Company (Rochester) only came into existence in 1890, so no way somebody in 1894 had 25 years service. The way to add more certainty to this conclusion would be to locate a bronze version of the 25th Sep Co's attendance (100% duty) medal from this same timeframe and see if the designs match.
  9. Those two bars are appropriate as the full compliment of the 304th Tank Battalion, so there are several ways (to included wounded as already mentioned) to get to that pair of bars.
  10. Thanks aznation. I've seen your replies in many threads and you clearly are somebody who loves to do research and share what you've found out. As a fellow research junkie, I appreciate the time you put into that work. This is the kind of contribution that makes this forum such a great place.
  11. Anyone know of any information related to the Belgium Leave Section (also sometimes name is associated with Channel Base Section)? It was located in Brussels and GI's went there on R&R in 1945 (and other years?). Trying to put a medal I have for service at this location/duty in context and I can't find anything more than a few sentences on it. There must be some account that describes the history of this organization. Any help would be appreciated.
  12. I haven't. I can't find my copy of Gero's book on NYNG photographs so I don't know if he has the 32nd covered there or not. Maybe somebody on the forum can confirm? The other place you can look is in the Brooklyn Daily Eagle archives and search for thirty-second regiment. A photo might be pictured, although the newspapers then didn't do much with photos but typically used drawings. Another place to look is in one of the New York City German newspapers of the period. The 32nd was a very German regiment and would have been a source of pride to the local German community. Maybe they contain an image. I don't see any of those newspapers online, however.
  13. Arran - I know of no uniform regulations for the 32nd, or generally other units either. However the 1879 NY Adjutant General's Report contains a description of the uniforms that NYNG units wore to the annual inspector general's inspection. This is a snapshot of that year, but it should yield a list of units that wore this style of helmet at that time. You'd have to read the inspection reports for each unit to develop that list (each is a page or less in length). For the 32nd it notes black leather helmets with a spike, so that's the kind of phrase you'd have to look for. The details of the helmet for the 32nd were placed in the "notes" section of the IG's report for that unit, so be sure to read each report in its entirety. The AG Report for 1879 is available online from the site of the NY State Military Museum - one at the home page click on the Research menu item, then the Adjutant Generals Reports menu item and pick the 1879 file. Go to page 230 to start reading the reports by unit.
  14. The 32nd was disbanded in 1892. It fell under a cloud in its last few years and had trouble with recruiting, among other problems. The pickelhaube style became popular after the Prussians defeated the French in their 1870 war. At that point the Prussians were considered the world's best army by many and a lot of their doctrine (to include helmet style) was adopted by nations around the world.
  15. My son began collecting watches a year ago. I told him I would look out for watches at local flea markets. He specifically told me not to buy any watches with radium painted parts. He is an engineer and researches things to extreme depths when he gets interested in something. I trust his recommendations explicitly. Knowledgeable watch collectors will not buy these, they are still considered dangerous.
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